Those Mean People That Want to Hurt Obama

[REoL]

Ugh. Damn Liberal Nazis, and their "hippo"-crytical ways (see some of them?)

The Democrats are airing ads about how anyone protesting the "health care" bill are part of "the angry mob", yet when Dubya' was in office, it was okay to belittle him, and interrupt his speeches? That was fine, because it was their first amendment rights.
So, of course, when republicans protest, "...it's unconstitutional.", according to Michelle Obama. Oh, yeah, it's one-way only, and if the shoe is on the other foot, it's wrong.

Of course, it happens BOTH ways, but mentioning it's not right to protest? (Can you say: HITLER? I can.)

Now I see why so many Democrats voted for McCain: they weren't so dumb to vote for "change", and no concrete change was ever given at any speech (You-know-who was famous for that ploy as well).

It happens both ways. Dems protest Republicans, and Republicans protest Democrats. Get used to it, Adolf.

[Heidi]

I hope this filthy, white-hating, constitutionally-ineligible, affirmative-action-recipient, usurping, socialist kenyan baboon gets shot. You mess with my country, you meet my guns.

Damn I hate liberals, even more than arch-viles in open areas.

[REoL]

...and people say I go over the edge.
Don't care for Obama, but even I will say: Hope nothing like that happens to him. That would solve nothing, and make a lot of matters much worse.
It'll be the Rodney King L.A. Riot all over again, but this time, all over the country.

[SweetPea]

Not being American I will never have the American understanding or experience.
Certainly hope tho that nothing does happen to Obama. He has restored a lot of confidence in the USA from the allies perspective by a willingness to participate in foreign policy and domestic policy that is regarded as constructive as it allows for differences and negoitation. The last administration was wanting to make us to more American, which was not appropriate.

Not understanding you Heidi, about your anger. What happened please?

[Aliotroph?]

Oh Heidi is just some kind of Nazi troll. We just ignore those posts most of the time.

I don't see anything particularly bad about Obama. He doesn't seem to be able to project any kind of decisive vision onto the various parts of his administration, though. He tries a bit too much for compromise. Any proper government should be extremely liberal and extremely atheist. Oh well.

[Mystic]

drastic changes that cant be reversed easily are not allowed in modern politics, its against the rules (or is that reols?). I think its very brave of Obama to try and provide decent health care for the poor and I really cant see why anyone would object to it.

The more I see Heidi making comments like that the more I suspect its 'tongue in cheek' to make nazis look stupid and evil. I dont think it works well on a messageboard, text lacks the ability to show a deliberate insincerity or sarcasm.

[Aliotroph?]

I will never understand why so many Americans stick to the teachings on economics of a Scot who died around 200 years ago. Purely private enterprise doesn't work for the same reason autocratic governments don't work: no checks and balances! Actually, that's the same reason why democracy often doesn't work. All large organizations need big restrictions on what they're allowed to do to people. This is why I get really mad when people go on about democracy being the goal with everything. It's not; freedom is the goal. Democracies do evil shit too, like vote away people's rights, vote themselves out of existence, etc.

Time for some public health care! How can a country that spends twice as much government money per capita on health care not ensure every last person?

[Mystic]

Thats one of the best posts you have made in a long time. Democracy most definately isnt working except for those on its gravy train and those hanging onto their shirt tails. Over here (UK) the politicians keep voting wage rises for themselves, massive expenses for almost everything and then tell the rest of us we have to tighten our belts and pay more tax, the same taxes that their expenses pay for them. Thats not the worst of it but its hard to prove the corruption/bribery allegations.

[Aliotroph?]

Your guys already got busted for major corruption. That was probably the biggest corruption scandal in years!

Only problem is that kind of thing doesn't go away with leaders, no matter what kind of government they have. You end up needing something like Turkey where when the politicians get out of hand the army stomps on them every few years. Then what you ultimately need is a constitution with extremely strong courts that also guarantees all government documents are public (and on th web), and politician raises are controlled by plebiscite (as in they're always stuck 50 years behind the curve).

[Mystic]

they got busted but the only guy to lose his job is the 'speaker' of the house for allowing the public to know. The bastards will just change the rules on secrecy to hide the details of their theft from the public purse

[Heidi]

Sorry but you're all full of shit. Canada is a hopeless socialist, suicide-inducing hellhole thanks to perplexingly evil-minded people like Aliotroph.

And scotts, keep your traps shut, you're living in an inherently right-wing country so you don't have to put up with most of the filthy socialist garbage that's destroying mine.

And it's funny how these socialist scumbags still refer to anti-socialists as "nazis", even we're just as anti-nazi. I suppose this is due to them being too stupid or ignorant to acknowledge the fact that even though nazis fought against socialists, they were not right-wingers and hated freedom as much as they hated jews, and anyone who retains a minimal understanding of WW2 history and bothered to read the Mein Kampf, would be able to confirm.

You socialist parasites mind your own goddamn business. If you'd be so flattered to have an illegal socialist ghetto trash destroy your nation, fine, find one and fuck yourselves up, I could care less, but don't sponsor America's demise, that's very, very low of you.

David O. Carter, you're our last, non-violent hope.

[Aliotroph?]

I go on a rant about how organizations in all forms are evil and you call me an evil socialist? See? It's things like this that lead everybody to believe Americans can't read.

Socialist organizations can lead to less evil if they're used to balance the purely capitalist ones. Often they just end up taking over and becoming as evil as pure capitalist ones. The solution: porn.

[SweetPea]

LMAO at PORN
hehe
I saw Heidi's thread earlier and was concerned, because really ... I do feel a great deal of concern for the USA. The anger and hurt is very understandable, on so many levels.

Well it's a struggle now to be serious, thanks Alio

Tries to be serious, it is worth it:
If I was a citizen of the USA I'd be so angry and disappointed in the state of affairs there.
Also, comparing countries is not really appropriate either, considering our cultures are very very different. We may be similar on many levels, yet again vast historical circumstances have shaped our viewpoints to perceive and reflect on current events differently.

Heidi, as I am an ignorant stranger to this forum and a foreigner to your land, what would you like to see happen in your country please?

[Mystic]

I actually live in a left of centre country (scotland) thats trying to win (peacefully and 'democratically') its full independence from an increasingly right wing UK. The majority of scottish voters are left of centre, but over here we know what words like 'socialist' mean and so its not a word used like a insult or a swear word, in fact to call me a socialist would be taken as a compliment. Im actually more of a left wing anarchist but I admire socialist ideals, I just dont trust the middle classes to carry them forward without creating a massive beauraucracy aimed at keeping things their own way and preventing any changes. As it always seems to be the middle classes who take control wether its democracy or revolution I think the solution is to take a lesson from Pol Pot and get rid of the middle classes, humanely if possible.

[SweetPea]

well...being humanely disposed of thank you! actually that is pretty funny, gotta a good kick out of it, Mystic.
interesting how words in different democracies have values that are so variable.
here in Australia, my goverment is considered centre right. in the USA, it's considered centre left.

and the word democracy has been hijacked to - what is democracy now?
so far it's been a label for a set of excuses to allow the open market to moderate itself, see what happened...no suprise there. hood-winkingly yours until busted.

[Jamman]

REoL, this is the second political post you've created that has invoked the nazis.

Your far-right libertarian views should be strong enough to stand on their own without needing to attach the image of the third reik to the opposition.

[Aliotroph?]

Nothing on the far right is libertarian. The far right and far left are tied together in a web of desire to control others. I distrust any policy maker who has any other agenda than maximizing the freedom of individuals at the expense of any type of organization.

All Scotland has to do to get independence is get half their people to vote for it. After that any Englishman who disagrees is fair game for whatever weapons are at hand for any man anywhere who cares to use them.

[Jamman]

I have a strong feeling the SNP will win next time. But it'd be hard to imagine Scotland leaving the United Kingdom. Would they have to change the union Jack? Remove the blue part? Would Nick Griffin complain? It would certainly be an interesting time for the country.

I'm of the opinion that unchecked libertarianism leads to the free expansion of private interests until they're large enough to impose their will on the people; personal liberties will disappear in a fiscal fascist regime where the those with the means of production will control the labour force. Its wonderful if you're at the top, but horrible if you're anyone else. This is why I believe libertarianism is right wing.

[Aliotroph?]

This is why I said "at the expense of any type of organization."

[Jamman]

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was only expounding on my own point.