Heretic and Hexen GPL'd

evilhomerdoomer · September 4th, 2008, 09:34 PM

In a surprising move, James Monroe of Raven Software emailed Quaser of Team Eternity notifying him that the Heretic and Hexen source code has been released under the GPL license. Check it out here.

This is great news, Doom ports can freely incorporate the code and the possibility of "Chocolate Hexen/Heretic" is awesome.

sLydE · September 5th, 2008, 10:25 AM

We've been waiting for this for so long.

Wow, it's been 2 years since the petition.

CrazedImp · September 5th, 2008, 11:55 AM

I don't see why this wasn't done earlier. Doom was a much bigger game than Heretic or Hexen ever was.

Eh well, finally I guess.

jake250 · September 5th, 2008, 07:52 PM

I'm sorry to play the ignorant one here, but what does it do?

I've already seen so much from Heretic and Hexen, I thought the source was already out. But I have no idea how all this really works.

g6672D · September 6th, 2008, 12:26 AM

I will post something more informative once I stop running around cheering.

Doom_Dude · September 6th, 2008, 06:31 AM

This is awesome news. Very surprising! Now it should be interesting to see what happens next.

KuriKai · September 6th, 2008, 08:20 AM

This should mean doomsday can be fully put into ubuntu's repo^^
Which is a job I will try and do

g6672D · September 6th, 2008, 08:45 AM

In the Main repo? If so, could it be done for Debian too?

KuriKai · September 6th, 2008, 08:53 AM

yeah
blahblahblah filler text

g6672D · September 6th, 2008, 03:30 PM

Response to jake250:

Basically, Raven license denies rights that are required in order to license something under the GNU GPL. Because you have to comply with the Raven license to use its source code, you cannot mix this with a GPL'd project, such as Doomsday.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html

MR_ROCKET · September 6th, 2008, 04:44 PM

But now I suppose they can under GPL version 2.

g6672D · September 7th, 2008, 02:26 AM

I didn't explain very much as it was about 7:00AM when I posted that. As in, I'd been awake for a while. Heh.

FIXED: (hopefully)

If they used v3, it would've caused problems because the Doom source is only v2.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq....3Compatibility

All this is so much fun...

Ajapted · September 7th, 2008, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g6672D

If they used v3, it would've caused problems because the Doom source is only v2.

Doom, Quake, Quake II and Quake III source codes are all GPL2+, they all say "either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.".

Mixing them with v3 is fine (the result will become v3).

Aliotroph? · September 7th, 2008, 10:58 PM

This is pretty sweet. Clears up a lot of issues with a lot of ports.

g6672D · September 10th, 2008, 01:57 AM

My fail for not looking at the Doom source code files. Yes, you're right. They are v2 or later. As for the Heretic/Hexen sources...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexen_Source.zip\SourceReadme.txt

This code is copyright Activision 1996-1998
[edit 2 Sep 2008] The code is release under GNU GPLv2 (see LICENSE)

Only v2. Eek! So, no mixing them with v3.

Aliotroph? · September 10th, 2008, 03:01 AM

I wonder if that was intended or if they didn't read the section carefully about different versions of the license.

Ajapted · September 10th, 2008, 05:26 AM

Never noticed the Heretic/Hexen release was GPLv2 only.

I doubt that was intentional, it seems to me that this release was done pretty quickly. For example they should have added license text to every file (Quasar even offered to do it for them) but they never did.

September 4th, 2008, 09:34 PM	#1
evilhomerdoomer Commander Keen Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 53	Heretic and Hexen GPL'd In a surprising move, James Monroe of Raven Software emailed Quaser of Team Eternity notifying him that the Heretic and Hexen source code has been released under the GPL license. Check it out here. This is great news, Doom ports can freely incorporate the code and the possibility of "Chocolate Hexen/Heretic" is awesome.

September 5th, 2008, 10:25 AM	#2
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September 7th, 2008, 02:26 AM	#12
g6672D Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Unknown Posts: 1,330	I didn't explain very much as it was about 7:00AM when I posted that. As in, I'd been awake for a while. Heh. FIXED: (hopefully) If they used v3, it would've caused problems because the Doom source is only v2. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq....3Compatibility All this is so much fun... Last edited by g6672D; September 7th, 2008 at 06:01 AM.

September 5th, 2008, 11:55 AM	#3
CrazedImp Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a wall glitch. Posts: 2,174	I don't see why this wasn't done earlier. Doom was a much bigger game than Heretic or Hexen ever was. Eh well, finally I guess.

September 5th, 2008, 07:52 PM	#4
jake250 Commander Keen Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 380	I'm sorry to play the ignorant one here, but what does it do? I've already seen so much from Heretic and Hexen, I thought the source was already out. But I have no idea how all this really works.

September 6th, 2008, 12:26 AM	#5
g6672D Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Unknown Posts: 1,330	I will post something more informative once I stop running around cheering.

September 6th, 2008, 08:20 AM	#7
KuriKai Commander Keen Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,274	This should mean doomsday can be fully put into ubuntu's repo^^ Which is a job I will try and do

September 6th, 2008, 08:45 AM	#8
g6672D Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Unknown Posts: 1,330	In the Main repo? If so, could it be done for Debian too?

September 6th, 2008, 08:53 AM	#9
KuriKai Commander Keen Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,274	yeah blahblahblah filler text

September 6th, 2008, 03:30 PM	#10
g6672D Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Unknown Posts: 1,330	Response to jake250: Basically, Raven license denies rights that are required in order to license something under the GNU GPL. Because you have to comply with the Raven license to use its source code, you cannot mix this with a GPL'd project, such as Doomsday. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html

September 7th, 2008, 10:58 PM	#14
Aliotroph? Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The frozen wastes of Quan'ideery Posts: 9,095	This is pretty sweet. Clears up a lot of issues with a lot of ports. __________________ Aliotroph.post_count++;

September 10th, 2008, 03:01 AM	#16
Aliotroph? Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The frozen wastes of Quan'ideery Posts: 9,095	I wonder if that was intended or if they didn't read the section carefully about different versions of the license. __________________ Aliotroph.post_count++;

September 10th, 2008, 05:26 AM	#17
Ajapted Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tasmania Posts: 338	Never noticed the Heretic/Hexen release was GPLv2 only. I doubt that was intentional, it seems to me that this release was done pretty quickly. For example they should have added license text to every file (Quasar even offered to do it for them) but they never did.

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