Turning Monster Infighting off

jake250 · July 2nd, 2007, 03:57 PM

When monsters hit each other then start fighting, and in my opinion it removes from the challenge and fun of the game. Sure it was fun the first time but now it annoys me.

I played Knee-Deep in ZDoom, and I noticed they did not fight each other ever. So I guess its possible. I would like to play normal wads with monsters infighting off, with ZDoom. Anyone know how?

EDIT : Nevermind... how funny I searched that for months (not all the time of course) and just found out the console command is "infighting". 0 is normal, 1 makes any monsters retaliate to others and make the monsters of the same type damage each otehr, and -1 stop them from hurting each other. Funny how "infighting -1" can't be found "anywhere"...

blood imp · July 3rd, 2007, 09:55 AM

I find Monster Infighting useful at times, but yes, it does make the game much easier at times. Glad you found your answer, though!

ace · July 3rd, 2007, 11:51 AM

That is how you turn it off during a game, yes, but in order to force infighting off altogether if you were to use it for a mod, or if you wanted to apply this to any and all source ports (rather than just ZDoom), you'd have to use a DEHACKED patch with this line included (which is what they did for KDiZD if you look in its DEH lump).

Code:

Monsters Ignore Each Other = 1

Just FYI.

lucius octavion · July 5th, 2007, 09:08 AM

Oh god. Can you do this with legacy?

ace · July 5th, 2007, 09:10 AM

Yep, the DEHACKED stuff works with everything, even vanilla Doom, methinks.

jake250 · July 5th, 2007, 07:43 PM

Nice. Thanks for the info Ace.

lucius octavion · July 6th, 2007, 08:51 PM

Does Boingo know about this? I remember him asking like crazy if there was a way to stop enemies from fighting for The Ultimate Chex Quest and DEIM.

Does this stop all enemies from fighting even if they are different types of monsters?

jake250 · July 6th, 2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucius octavion

Does Boingo know about this? I remember him asking like crazy if there was a way to stop enemies from fighting for The Ultimate Chex Quest and DEIM.

Does this stop all enemies from fighting even if they are different types of monsters?

Yes, as far as I played, monsters now automaticly lock its view to a player when attacked damaged by a monsters (instead of locking on the monsters like ever). So they never actually fight each others.

lucius octavion · July 7th, 2007, 06:40 PM

If everyone knows about this, then how come Boingo is having so much trouble?

jake250 · July 10th, 2007, 07:25 PM

Well you can't know everything I guess.

I just got myself a permanent infighting, I guess there is an easier way, but anyway it works fine (only in zdoom though).

With the console I did...

alias +infighting "+forward; infighting -1"
alias -infighting "-forward; infighting -1"
bind w +infighting

So everytime I move forward he will set it to -1, now im sure I will always be playing with monster infighting off in GZDoom no matter what I do. Just wanted to point that out.

BTW, I believe splash damage may "still" make some monsters retaliate. I had a Lost Soul chasing a cyberdemon, so I'm kind of wondering. But thats the only time I saw a monster fighting another with infighting off.

Grazza · July 16th, 2007, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ace

Yep, the DEHACKED stuff works with everything, even vanilla Doom, methinks.

Unless I am mistaken, Monsters Ignore Each Other = 1 is not a dehacked feature (but rather a dehacked-style extension added by some ports).

If it is available in dehacked, please show me where it exists in dehacked.exe's menus, and/or show me a specific dehacked patch that loads successfully with dehacked.exe. The following is rejected by dehacked.exe for containing an "unknown line" on line 10:

Quote:

Patch File for DeHackEd v3.0

# Note: Use the pound sign ('#') to start comment lines.

Doom version = 19
Patch format = 6

Misc 0
Monsters Ignore Each Other = 1

I should also add that I regard monster infighting as a fundamental aspect of what makes Doom the great game that it is, and by turning it off, you are really changing the gameplay for the worse. If a map is made too easy by infighting, then that is bad map design, not bad game design.

shtbag667 · July 16th, 2007, 02:05 PM

Does this infighting command work on decorate monsters too?

BeTaNoL · July 30th, 2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shtbag667

Does this infighting command work on decorate monsters too?

sure does, I forgot the code, but I am 99% sure that is possible.

But why you guys would wand that off?! It REALLY helps some times and it's fun

shtbag667 · July 31st, 2007, 02:41 PM

I want to turn it off for a mod I'm working on where all the enemies or decorate monsters I made. I noticed that sometimes when I have a group "sleeping" monsters (all same species) and use Thing_Hate to wake them up, the monsters can start attacking each other when one gets in the way of another's projectile. The Thing_Hate initially makes them attack the player.

BeTaNoL · July 31st, 2007, 05:15 PM

Use thing_activate, instead... Did you try it yet?
Why I always look at your nick I read "shitbag667"??

July 2nd, 2007, 03:57 PM	#1
jake250 Commander Keen Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 380	Turning Monster Infighting off When monsters hit each other then start fighting, and in my opinion it removes from the challenge and fun of the game. Sure it was fun the first time but now it annoys me. I played Knee-Deep in ZDoom, and I noticed they did not fight each other ever. So I guess its possible. I would like to play normal wads with monsters infighting off, with ZDoom. Anyone know how? EDIT : Nevermind... how funny I searched that for months (not all the time of course) and just found out the console command is "infighting". 0 is normal, 1 makes any monsters retaliate to others and make the monsters of the same type damage each otehr, and -1 stop them from hurting each other. Funny how "infighting -1" can't be found "anywhere"... Last edited by jake250; July 2nd, 2007 at 04:25 PM.

July 3rd, 2007, 11:51 AM	#3
ace Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Subcurvetania Posts: 3,372	That is how you turn it off during a game, yes, but in order to force infighting off altogether if you were to use it for a mod, or if you wanted to apply this to any and all source ports (rather than just ZDoom), you'd have to use a DEHACKED patch with this line included (which is what they did for KDiZD if you look in its DEH lump). Code: Monsters Ignore Each Other = 1 Just FYI.

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July 3rd, 2007, 09:55 AM	#2
blood imp Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: HYPERPOWER! Posts: 1,793	I find Monster Infighting useful at times, but yes, it does make the game much easier at times. Glad you found your answer, though!

July 5th, 2007, 09:08 AM	#4
lucius octavion Commander Keen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,191	Oh god. Can you do this with legacy?

July 5th, 2007, 09:10 AM	#5
ace Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Subcurvetania Posts: 3,372	Yep, the DEHACKED stuff works with everything, even vanilla Doom, methinks.

July 5th, 2007, 07:43 PM	#6
jake250 Commander Keen Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 380	Nice. Thanks for the info Ace.

July 6th, 2007, 08:51 PM	#7
lucius octavion Commander Keen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,191	Does Boingo know about this? I remember him asking like crazy if there was a way to stop enemies from fighting for The Ultimate Chex Quest and DEIM. Does this stop all enemies from fighting even if they are different types of monsters?

July 7th, 2007, 06:40 PM	#9
lucius octavion Commander Keen Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,191	If everyone knows about this, then how come Boingo is having so much trouble?

July 10th, 2007, 07:25 PM	#10
jake250 Commander Keen Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 380	Well you can't know everything I guess. I just got myself a permanent infighting, I guess there is an easier way, but anyway it works fine (only in zdoom though). With the console I did... alias +infighting "+forward; infighting -1" alias -infighting "-forward; infighting -1" bind w +infighting So everytime I move forward he will set it to -1, now im sure I will always be playing with monster infighting off in GZDoom no matter what I do. Just wanted to point that out. BTW, I believe splash damage may "still" make some monsters retaliate. I had a Lost Soul chasing a cyberdemon, so I'm kind of wondering. But thats the only time I saw a monster fighting another with infighting off.

July 16th, 2007, 02:05 PM	#12
shtbag667 Commander Keen Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ohio, USA Posts: 135	Does this infighting command work on decorate monsters too?

July 31st, 2007, 02:41 PM	#14
shtbag667 Commander Keen Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ohio, USA Posts: 135	I want to turn it off for a mod I'm working on where all the enemies or decorate monsters I made. I noticed that sometimes when I have a group "sleeping" monsters (all same species) and use Thing_Hate to wake them up, the monsters can start attacking each other when one gets in the way of another's projectile. The Thing_Hate initially makes them attack the player.

July 31st, 2007, 05:15 PM	#15
BeTaNoL Commander Keen Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Friggin' Brazil! (now, friggin' Massachusetts!!) Posts: 208	Use thing_activate, instead... Did you try it yet? Why I always look at your nick I read "shitbag667"??

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