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Old January 20th, 2001, 06:25 PM   #1
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Question Vilecore: Map32: The Vilcore

Okay. I hit another famous dead-end here, wosrse than that other one (if you're a purist using BooM).

This is in The Vilcore map (MAP32). I get to the end of that long hallway, where there's 2 red doors, and a regular one on the right. Go through, there's a tall room with a lot of torches flickering about. Go farther, there's 2 rooms that mirror each other, with torches in all but 1 recess. It appears as if that one's a door or something. I shot it, nothing. Is that recess the way to continue on? BooM can't jump.
I'll wait for an answer before I continue onward.

I wouldn't be here right now if I didn't hit a dead end in this map.


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Old January 20th, 2001, 08:52 PM   #2
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Yep. Ya gotta jump. I played it using ZDoom. You really should make the switch. ZDoom is so much faster than Legacy or PrBoom with Pentium 2 processors or better it's not even funny. I did a timedemo on my P2 266 ZDoom vs PrBoom on Chris Lutz's PAR demo using similar demos (nomonsters). ZDoom was twice as fast in some spots. PrBoom is faster than Legacy though.

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Old January 20th, 2001, 09:09 PM   #3
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Awwwwwww.....sh1t I didn't realize what I did. Phuck! Did I say phuck!? Well what the hell was I thinking? Sorry, but you have to jump into the torchless alcove jobby. Geeeezzzzussss, how come I didn't think about that before? I guess after making 32 DooM maps, you get a little stunned in the brain department........sigh.

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Old January 20th, 2001, 09:48 PM   #4
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'Sokay there Doom_Dude

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Old January 20th, 2001, 09:54 PM   #5
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Stphrz, to tell ya the truth, I'm totally DooMed out. After finishing 32 maps, I feel DooM depleted or something. I haven't played or edited DooM in weeks and I dunno when I'll get back into it. I have an idea of what I want to do next but I have no ambition to work on it. I've dried up in the Doom department.

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Old January 20th, 2001, 10:04 PM   #6
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There is another way to get in to there but your not going to like it. If you time it right the viles can blast you in to the little opening. You would also have to get blasted back in once you get the key.

I have tryed it with degreelessness and it worked but it took along time. If anybody can pull that off with out cheats it would make beating the Icon of Sin look like e1m1.

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Old January 21st, 2001, 07:38 AM   #7
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I have no choice but to NOCLIP up there, then.
I'd change over, but I'm not doing 16 maps over again!

As for ZDooM, it might be that I have older versions of that and the last original PRBooM, but I noticed in the FUCT test that ZDooM lost speed before PRBooM did, making PRBooM faster, but in the end, they both hit a low of 24FPS (nomonsters), 640x480. In regular maps, ZDooM did hold up in the speed department when higher rez's were used. 800x600 worked well, but 1024x768 lurched some.
I might try the 1.23 beta 11. That's right non P3 users, uh-oh!


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Old January 21st, 2001, 10:05 AM   #8
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Hey Empyrial Revenant, that's phucking awesome! That would make a great demo!

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Old January 21st, 2001, 12:38 PM   #9
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I am using a P2 350@391, and it isn't that bad on Legacy or zDoom, still fast.

Why don't you get a Pentium 4 1.5 GHz?

Gee. 2 years ago I got this PC, a pretty fast one around. Now there's PCs out that is more than 1 GHz faster than mine! .

What, you didn't know? Pentium 4 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5 GHz has been out for a month now.

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Old January 21st, 2001, 03:53 PM   #10
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I knew that. I think they finally hit a stop with the surging increasing processor speeds with this 1.5Gz jobby.

Hey Doom_Dude it's really weird that you should mention not wanting to edit any more. It's like all of the editing spirit in you jumped into me.

See, I had this dream a couple nights ago about Doom. Only this wasn't like the usual dreams about Doom, or Quake or Half-Life. I actually dreamt about editing Doom! I was making levels and everything. That's all I remember. But it was an inspiring dream
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Old January 21st, 2001, 03:54 PM   #11
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Your comp would be much faster on ZDoom than Legacy, especially on maps that have a lot of detail. 'Course you need to keep Legacy around for the 3d floors and such.

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Old January 21st, 2001, 04:17 PM   #12
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When's my Duron 700mz gonna arrive!!! The suspense is killing me!!! I'm seriously looking forward to this PC almost as much as I am curious about this "picture for Zack" darknation and Rellik are talking about.
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Old January 21st, 2001, 07:55 PM   #13
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Stphrzie, I run at 640x480, runs smooth. I'm gonna be upgrading to a P3 800 and Radeon2 later. Then, I can play at sweet high resolutions.

Zackie, you mean you ordered a new computer already?

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Old January 21st, 2001, 08:35 PM   #14
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Not the complete box. Lacks a floppy drive, hard drive and CD drive, which I have. (A good FDD, and a 3gb hdd and 8x CD-ROM)

I won it off of ebay 2 weeks ago.
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Old January 21st, 2001, 08:43 PM   #15
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Zack, Wasn't your old HDD losing sectors? Or did you find a new one?

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Old January 22nd, 2001, 04:35 AM   #16
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I setup the key bindings for ZDooM yesterday.

I do like that ZDooM doesn't lurch up close to walls at 640x480 like PRBooM does, even though ZDooM loses momentum in the FUCT test first. Hmm.... Weird.

Now, how about slopes? Wish I could make 'em
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Old January 22nd, 2001, 10:56 AM   #17
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Speaking of computers, I went to a computer show. I could of built myself a 700mhz Athathlon Workstation. But I didn't have another $40. Anyway I'm stuck with my 100mhz speed demon(yeah right!) 586 till next year then. Vilecore is pretty cool.

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Old January 22nd, 2001, 11:28 AM   #18
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Well Zack, I'm laying off of the DooM editing for a little while and I'm messing around with editing some Half-Life again. I'm getting into making new textures {check out my bricks) and trying to make new sounds for my Opposing Force levels. 3D editing is awesome.



I have a new project idea for DooM II that will be about 12 maps long. I'll be drawing up a lot of maps and details before I do any major work on it. Hopefully, I'll get back into it real soon.

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Old January 22nd, 2001, 06:09 PM   #19
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Paper? You mean....some mappers draw their maps on ....PAPER?!?????

Wow. That's something....


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Old January 22nd, 2001, 07:26 PM   #20
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