WHAT holds us ?

[SweetPea]

look at one's life.

what holds that together?
our humanity?
our diversity?

what is the love that binds us all?

please be really really blunt...
our religion.. our life?
what does matter....

[Kagemaru H.]

I'd say it's basic human instinct - without any order and restrictions in our lives, we'd just be killing each other.

Aggh no EDIT button!

On another note, life is a byproduct of amino acids and heavy elements emmited by stellar explosions (iron, calcium, carbon, etc) - amino acids and protiens were formed by a primitive Earth atmosphere, which evolved into very primitive life forms (bacteria). The heavy elements emitted by supernovae helped form more advanced life forms (mammals, etc), and we mutated from primitive sapiens (evolution).

But I'm not saying evolution is true - it's simply a theory.

Also, the Internet.

[Aliotroph?]

Of course evolution is true. We're smacked in the face with too much evidence. God might have built evolution, but the evolution part is there.

The answer is really beer and trashy 80s synthpop! *cracks another one and turns up the volume* *cheers*

[SweetPea]

aha!

now i see why this thread was moved!

i was wanting something a bit deeper than indoctrination.i want something personal. what HOLDS you? why are you here and why do you stay here? what is your meaning?

also, i agree that evolution is a theory. which religions are also. how many proofs are required? /as many as one holds dear, to make it true.

[MR_ROCKET]

Our love for one another holds us together the most. Meaning the love of our friends, family, our better half and life.
And of course our God and any means of survival.
Without these things, we don't have much.

[Dutch Devil]

I'm no religious guy and I sure do not believe that the world was created by some God. I'm not sure what to believe in, but I rather believe in something that makes sense to me. I rather belive in evolution, I am more willing to believe that. Live is one big mystery, we will find out what happens when good old Grim comes for us.

[MR_ROCKET]

Well you'v got to believe in something. A lot of people believe in God, and another way of looking at it is "our world being our God" which makes more sense to me.
Though as you may know our God was/is a God in human form so we could relate with him rather than speaking to an spiritual entity of some sort heh.
We have to believe in something though, after all, we only live once..
In this life time anyway. :D

Back to the bit about our God being our world, this really does make sense to me ,if you think about it, as we did evolve from the Earth to begin with. However this world is just a very small fraction of what it's self evolved from as a whole in the universe, which is our creator. isn’t it?
Whenever something like this gets brought up though it ends up being such a deep conversation, it's something we just can't acknowledge other than "the big bag theory" which created basically everything..
So who or what made everything in space esplode and start working like this? who else? our God..right?
This is all we have to go by man heh.

So to me, you don't have to be religious to understand why people are religious, a religion is basically a practice, but in it's case it's a practice of a right path to follow with names and understanding that there is a God before any theory came about, I mean it really did happen, it's written on scrolls and converted/translated in books, and it's just all we have to go by in our short time of a life, not to mention millennia before our life time.
What does this mean? it means it would have to be true.. imo it means anything and everything has a God or it/they and we simply would not exist.

[Heidi]

Diversity, leave that to restaurants.

[Aliotroph?]

Hello, troll. I see you're still a troll. See? The forums do have diversity! Bwahahahaha!!!

[iori]

A very good initial question, Sweetpea. I can't answer other than to say that the dualistic nature of material existence is an illusion :D
I can hope to pique your curiosity, however, with some links and name-dropping. Works for curious people as they follow invisible threads to answer their own questions.

DAN WINTER http://goldenmean.info
video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5238126087588416464# The Purpose of DNA

DAVID WILCOCK http://divinecosmos.com
video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4951448613711060908# 2012 Enigma
STEVE TRUEBLUE - http://truebluehealer.com
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Dc-pqrGCE Lay Gnosis 1

Winter is a bloody genius, Wilcock seems to be the resurrection of Edgar Cayce and Steve is... a secret.. bahahaha. Happy Trails!

[Props]

I guess everyone has the answers to their own questions. I believe in free energy...we're walking examples. To what degree do you analyze my last sentence..it's up to you.
I find strength, everyday, knowing that I CAN. At the same time...I don't care to break down the meaning of "life", while trying to solve the age old mystery of "why". Just live and let live.

Diversity, leave that to restaurants.
Awesome

[MR_ROCKET]

Heh, I tend to read into things too much sometimes. :P

[Props]

Heh, I tend to read into things too much sometimes. :P
This is what makes us all individuals. I'd prefer people thinking differently, than alike....
I just ran through a ton of concepts in my own mind...but ultimately...when groups of people think alike...what is the final verdict?

[SweetPea]

what are we, this is multiple choice or no choice:

a. a habit
b. a personality
c. an identity
d. a mixture of the above
e. none of the above


(in the relative and / or absolute sense.)

?

[Props]

I'd have to combine your thoughts Sweetpea, and say... f. Conscience.

I believe a-c can change at will...so maybe..D?

[SweetPea]

I'd have to combine your thoughts Sweetpea, and say... f. Conscience.

I believe a-c can change at will...so maybe..D?

In the relative sense (that of having to compete in the world) we are a combination of habits, personality and what we consider to be an identity. All those attributes are of attachment and have no real meaning. Although we were made that does not define who we are. A to C are all very fascinating, at times frustrating and other times grandiose.

In the absolute sense, that of observation and detachment, we are not this not that.

f. Conscience .. what do you mean by that? It's a very good way of analysing from my opinion, but I am not sure what that means to you....

Words are so subjective. Actually when I first posted, the terms I used were made up by myself so it really is a matter of interpretation how anyone even looks at what those words mean.

Thanks all :)

[Props]

My own definition of conscience (I'll look up Websters definition after the post): A collection of internal and external experiences stored in the human brain, these define the existence of that one individual. From these experiences, whether sleeping or awake, we create our realities that we live in. Moral decisions that hinge on these experiences...(or not).

Well, it's a start..I'm actually not going to look up the definition..I'd rather add to my post on a later date.

[SweetPea]

It's okay Props, I don't care for anything but your own definition, that is the most important. One's own definition of experience and how to evolve it.

When one looks at how one filters the stimulus that is external to oneself, does that then impinge on our filter of perception, does that make the experience real? Or does it make it... ego?
The I that thinks that I am I would be very very rich for all the ego-mistakes in perception the I that I am, has made.
It appears to be a human fraility to imagine the ability to read minds, can be the truth.

I think therefore I am? I think not. I feel therefore I know? I think not.

I like it that this subject can be so very frustrating it means so much understanding and learning has to be undone, still.
Who is the I?

[Boingo the Clown]

What holds us?

Gravity mostly.

[Aliotroph?]

That's what today's XKCD (http://xkcd.com/852/) is about. :D

[Props]

That's what today's XKCD (http://xkcd.com/852/) is about. :D

Lol, nice.