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REoL
June 3rd, 2009, 02:28 PM
Yet another thing the Al Gore worshippers didn't think through, even to the slightest degree (choose your poison):

http://wolfsden.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/white-roof-and-concrete-roads-could-help-slow-global-warming/
http://www.physorg.com/news140875649.html
http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/5227328/
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/05/27-3
Or choose your own ----> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=white+roof+concrete+roads&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

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Let's face it, helping the environment is a good thing, but the Looney Libs are blowing way out of proportion how bad things are, and how unnatural this phenomenon is.
How to cope? Replace your dark roofs with white shingles, and replace the asphalt roads with concrete. Sounds good? Depends where you live.

In the Southern areas, the concrete roads work, but up here in New England, this would be a disaster waiting to happen. Not only would ice stay on the roads a LOT longer, but the frost heaves, salt, and plowing would destroy these roads to impassability within a few years. Granted, no raods will survive a tough winter forever, but it's well known that concrete surfaces can't. Bridges that are left with it's concrete roadbed exposed, wind up looking like the surface of the Moon, yet the asphalt will look fine. Also, Libs didn't take into account that all the waste being put into landfills removing roads to make way for concrete. However, where the climate doesn't wreck a concrete road, replacement of an asphalt road is feasible, only if the road has to be totally ripped out and be completely rebuilt. Other than that, a whimsical replacement is just adding more waste in a landfill.

As for the roofs, white is not the best option everywhere. Here in New England, you need the darker roof colors to retain heat. A white roof would make the home colder, and during the winter, would cause heating systems to put out many tons more of carbon monoxide, the exact thing these Libs want to eliminate. Way to think this one through, Al Gore wanna-be's. However, there is a flaw to the darker roof, is that the homes are hotter during the summer, and would use more energy trying to keep things cold. Still, signifigantly less pollution, but high energy bills. Here in New England, we have a better way to handle this: gray, or colored roofs. They help shed the heat during the summer, hold it in during the winter. It's a compromise that works, especially with the extra insulation used in the attics by modern code, at least here in Massachusetts.
Again, ripping off the black roofs to replace them with white, adding to landfills. On the other hand, in areas where a white roof is usable, probably a good idea when your old roof is in need of replacement, to put an all-white roof on.
One other little point the Libs don't tell you, is that most white roofs will turn black over time, because of pollution. People will need to wash their roof to keep them bright and white, wasting water, and adding chemicals from soaps/detergents into the water table. Yay. Good job. Go smoke a doobie in the corner, and realise where the epic fail occurred.

Of course, if you find the more sensible environmentallists, they'll pretty much hit on the same issues, and do talk about this being mostly a southern issue. (Of course, if you're on the Southern Hemisphere, you flip the north/south thing around.)

Nomad
June 3rd, 2009, 04:18 PM
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Aliotroph?
June 3rd, 2009, 04:30 PM
Time to learn they aren't trying to stop carbon monoxide too. :p

Also time to realize that at least the Al Gore worshipers are trying instead of burying their heads in the sand.

And what you say about concrete vs. asphalt is dumb. Asphalt falls apart instantly and isn't nearly as durable as concrete, especially in places that get wet and very cold. We just use it because it's dirt cheap. Might just work better for bridge decks due to it being more flexible though. Jeez, learn some goddamn science!

Oo, and dark-coloured roofs emit heat faster. Heh! Sure they don't let it in, but in the super north like we are, we don't get any heat from the sun in the winter anyway.

Nomad
June 3rd, 2009, 04:33 PM
I agree, concrete is durable. And if you notice they pour it in sections so it has room to expand and contract in the heat/cold of the weather. Asphalt just gets kind of tacky in extreme heat, but doesn't really have any protective qualities in the cold.

+Acyclitor+
June 3rd, 2009, 05:38 PM
the rest of the world: lets reduce emissions and find smarter ways to generate electricity
the US: lets paint shit white

goddamn can you imagine trying to drive on a white road on a sunny day. goodbye retinas

Aliotroph?
June 3rd, 2009, 10:05 PM
This is what well-made glasses are for. The point of a thing like that is we already have the tech, and it doesn't usually cost more than using dark colours. Well, with roads it does. concrete is more expensive and that's one of the reasons it doesn't get used. Would be interesting to see light-coloured asphalt.

I don't think most energy generation can be better for the environment in the short term. Nuclear would but everybody is scared of that. They're also scared of the money it takes to build nuclear plants, which is understandable.

There is a lot of merit to just using things that use less energy and not using things wastefully. Hard to do sometimes.

rustyslacker
June 3rd, 2009, 11:47 PM
There is more beauty in watching our own species, mirror-like, attempt to tear the planet apart than there is in trying to undo what "damage" we may have caused. Earth will fight back, and it will certainly outlive us.

So no, I won't paint my roof white. I'm going to pull a Jagger and paint that shit BLACK. Let us watch and smile while the world burns and our glorious cities roast us alive.

Aliotroph?
June 3rd, 2009, 11:50 PM
I don't think it will matter that much. Sure, weather will change, crops will change, people will starve -- meh. The world will go right on turning and people will continue. REoL's type still act like nothing's happened and we shouldn't even try to be clean for our own sake.

My roof is light grey. It's always been that colour and likely always will. The colour suits it.

rustyslacker
June 4th, 2009, 12:01 AM
I agree, concrete is durable. And if you notice they pour it in sections so it has room to expand and contract in the heat/cold of the weather. Asphalt just gets kind of tacky in extreme heat, but doesn't really have any protective qualities in the cold.
Haha. Walk down the middle of the street on a July day here. If you pay very close attention you might feel yourself cooking alive.

Nomad
June 4th, 2009, 09:17 AM
Oh yes, you forget I've both spent considerable time in Nevada, and I lived in Georga for three years. I definitely am familiar with the heat storing properties of asphalt. :P

REoL
June 4th, 2009, 02:44 PM
the rest of the world: lets reduce emissions and find smarter ways to generate electricity
the US: lets paint shit white

goddamn can you imagine trying to drive on a white road on a sunny day. goodbye retinas

Heh, heh. That's good. :)

As for the concrete thing, I don't know how concrete is more durable, because the concrete roads fail far before asphalt does. It's probably the way pavement is laid down, and the thick foundation. We get nasty frost heaves and quick freeze-thaw cycles, being roughly in a tug-of-war between the hot South, and cold North. The end result being the asphalt flexes with the changing turrain, and the concrete just crumbles. Those in Canada or in Florida (for example) may find concrete to be better, because you don't get those wild temprature gyrations we get, plusthe harsh salting and plowing just chips away at the concrete, water gets in, freezes, fail. This does happen with asphalt as well, but it takes several years of damage before tha happens.

Funny, everywhere the roads are repaved here, including new concrete beds for bridges, even when covered with asphalt, the bridges always fail first.

It's probably a regional thing. Here in New England, there's a reason why concrete is not used, and where it's been done, ultimately is ripped out and replaced with asphalt. There's a reason why.

Mystic
June 10th, 2009, 04:18 PM
we have some lighter shades of asphalt here in Scotland. Some a light red shade and some a light grey, usually used on bends in the road where icing is a problem in winter.

The looneys are not blowing anything out of proportion, loads of polar bears are drowning because the ice they normally live and hunt on has vanished. The fact is its too late to stop the inevitable now, the global warming is with us now, it just doesnt rush itself like in the movie 'the day after tomorrow'. I am hoping that movie was an exaggeration of whats possible but I do remember my science teacher (back in the 1970's) telling us that if the average temperature of the planet changed by one degree celsius it could trigger a new ice age. Im investing in gas cannisters, camping equipment, fleeces and other winter type stuff.

rustyslacker
June 10th, 2009, 04:37 PM
No way no way no way

Mystic
June 11th, 2009, 01:11 AM
I reckon all the world leaders know whats coming and thats why they have been helping themselves to as much taxpayers cash as they and their banker friends can carry.
They are planning to buy a few southern hemisphere countries and move there when the time comes. They will need some excuse to have armed forces there with them too so watch out for sudden discoveries of more WMD in areas less likely to be affected by an ice age. Maybe it will be the middle east anyway, they already have huge armed forces there.