Obama only cares about the Black Unemployed?

[REoL]

Dunno what to think about this one, so I'm interrested in what you have to say.

I heard that in a recent speech, Obama brought up the unemployment issue, and that he focussed on Blacks, and them being hit harder.

So? Racist, or pointing out a statistic?

In one sense, it's Obama driving a wedge farther between Blacks and Whites, only caring about the Black unemployment, and Whites don't matter at all.

On the other hand, you could take it as just a statistic, which most of the victims of the layoffs are more likely Blacks than Whites.

So, what's your stance? I'm riding the pine on this one. I can see either side on this one.

[Nomad]

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[Ninja_of_DooM]

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[CrazedImp]

This is no different to an argument you could use that a white president cares more about whites. Thread fail.

[Mystic]

lmfao, he keeps on trying but is just digging a bigger hole for himself (REol that is).

Isnt it funny how right wingers always play the colour card, at elections they suck up to the blacks in the hope of a few extra votes but if the electorate dare to actually elect a black person his/her every word is analysed in the hope of finding some anti-white stuff. if it wasnt so pathetic it would be funny.

[ghost]

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[Darkwave0000]

Hmmm. I am not understanding the correlation between helping unemployed and racism. Anyway, I am thinking it swell that Obama is putting so much effort into ecomony and middle class. I am expecting it will be of benefit to many overall. :)

[Aliotroph?]

Well, then you also have the opposite: idiots like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who go around sticking a racial connotation onto everything a white person says. Being of the priestly nature I suppose they're likely right wingers of a sort (the supposedly non-existent black kind).

[REoL]

Hmmm. I am not understanding the correlation between helping unemployed and racism. Anyway, I am thinking it swell that Obama is putting so much effort into ecomony and middle class. I am expecting it will be of benefit to many overall. :)
First intelligent reply. :)

Helping the middle class is a good thing, being they are struggling a lot (especially myself, being lower class, or working poor, somewhere in that area). t's true that the rich can afford the extra taxes they need to pay in. A $20 fill-up at the pump is a $20 fill-up at the pump. It takes more of the lower income's budget than a rich cat, so giving the lower and middle classes a break is a good thing.
I can see the rich complaining, because they are paying about 40%, at the least, into the system, and 50% and up for the obscenely wealthy. They don't think it's fair, because those of us on the bottom pay in little (my case, about 25%), and they are making about 85% of the entire tax revenue.
Personally, the rich can afford the bump. Sure, it's not fair, but the world isn'tfair. Things cost the same for a poor person, so suck it up.
I would support a flat tax, all pay the same percentage into the system, even if that means I take a hit.

Now, it's funny how people say the far right cry "racism" when race is used, even in a statistic, like that unemployment one, yet, those left wingers are total hypocrytes, because if we even MENTION the word black, automatic race card, like that cartoon of a Ape being shot. The Ape represented CONGRESS, but since it's an Ape, and Obama is Black, call it a racist cartoon. I'm waiting for Bank of America to state they're "In the red", and watch left-wing racist Al Sharpton call it racist.
Goes eiter way.

[CrazedImp]

A flat tax system would utterly fail. It would just be even more money into the pockets of those with more money, and less money to those that actually really need it. If its a universal figure, say 30%, then that would mean the rich are paying a hell of a lot less. How will this impact? Less money to build roads, shelters, and facilities, less money to support the unemployed, less money to support the disabled, less money to support those who are faced with a crisis or have been involved in a natural disaster. The list goes on and on.

And I hate racism as much as the next guy, but its not hard to notice that blacks tend to blow things out of proportion a little too often. Even the smallest of things you could possibly do, they'd scream out and start calling you racist. What I'm posting now would be fuel enough for them to start screaming at me for days. Racism is a problem, but it would have a lot less of an impact if people didn't keep screaming out the term everytime somebody says something. You will always have some racist people, just like you'll always have some thieves, just like you'll always have some software pirates, just like you'll always have some sick mass murderer or rapist. Sitting and complaining all the time isn't going to make it go away, if anything its going to make it worse. They don't want to be treated any differently from us whites, and so we give them that, and then half the things we do are racist, or we always have some politician stepping in saying blacks get unfair treatment.

[Mystic]

anything that gives the rich and/or the middle class more money is just throwing good money after bad, they are the ones responsible for the current economic crisis, their constant pursuit of ever increasing profit. Its that greed of those who are already wealthy that has put us all in the shit.
The poor had nothing to do with it, its their labour that creates the wealth that is then idiotically invested by greedy short term gain hunting bastards.
All the billions should be given to the poor and let them spend until they drop, thats how to heal the economy, give the people the money to buy the goods and the companies that actually produce things worth buying will prosper. Its crazy to chuck billions at greedy bastard banks who dont actually produce anything except a mountain of debts.

[Aliotroph?]

Anything that just hands a pile of spending money to people will utterly fail. And if you're extra lucky and in Vietnam, the sleazy officials will take it first anyway (I guess they don't have direct deposit).

Time for the government to build a lot of infrastructure everywhere. You can have a private company run it but government should always be building the infrastructure. Only way to ensure it goes to places companies don't wanna build. All the building makes jobs and running more services makes more training and more jobs. Oh, and fund the difference by taxing the crap out of billionaires. Just let them rig it to pretend they donated to it and they'll shut up.

[REoL]

A flat tax system would utterly fail. It would just be even more money into the pockets of those with more money, and less money to those that actually really need it. If its a universal figure, say 30%, then that would mean the rich are paying a hell of a lot less. How will this impact? Less money to build roads, shelters, and facilities, less money to support the unemployed, less money to support the disabled, less money to support those who are faced with a crisis or have been involved in a natural disaster. The list goes on and on.
Which is why I say the rich should suck it up. They can afford things. I'd support the Flat Tax if it would shut people up. If you want more income, you'll have to tax the poor as well. Hey, they want services, they should pay into it. If the 30%, in your example, is too much, there could be an exception, like a $20, $50, or $100 yearly tax bill to pay in, and not hurt too badly.

And I hate racism as much as the next guy, but its not hard to notice that blacks tend to blow things out of proportion a little too often. Even the smallest of things you could possibly do, they'd scream out and start calling you racist. What I'm posting now would be fuel enough for them to start screaming at me for days. Racism is a problem, but it would have a lot less of an impact if people didn't keep screaming out the term everytime somebody says something. You will always have some racist people, just like you'll always have some thieves, just like you'll always have some software pirates, just like you'll always have some sick mass murderer or rapist. Sitting and complaining all the time isn't going to make it go away, if anything its going to make it worse. They don't want to be treated any differently from us whites, and so we give them that, and then half the things we do are racist, or we always have some politician stepping in saying blacks get unfair treatment.
That goes for any minority, actually, but you nailed it. We have to stop coddling these people, and actually treat them fairly, as in, no difference.

[Mystic]

Odd isnt it? that wage restraints only affect the low paid, they get stuck with a shitty 3 percent rise if they are lucky. 3 percent of nothing is still nothing. The managers and directors etc of those low paid workers somehow manage to justify a 10 percent rise or sometimes much more, oh and annual bonuses too.

Another thing wrong with society is the way people in some jobs can be suspended on full pay pending investigations, you know, if they are suspected of stealing or corruption etc but if that person is one of those low paid workers they just get sacked.
ok rant over

[REoL]

Tell me about it. I got my big 3.25% increase on my wage, and it's another $7 in my weekly check, after taxes. Ooooooo.... I'm buying a mansion. Obama will protect me. :)

[Heidi]

I'd have to listen to the whole thing in order to responsibly take a side here, but it sounds like a statistics-driven speech to me. I can't remember last time I met a black with a job so...

Just hope he gets what's coming to him before it's too late. Hiring a constitutionally-ineligible, iPod-bribing, Kenyan socialist to fix the economy of the most powerful country in the word? you really did it this time libs, see you in the foodstamp queue *annoyed*

[+Acyclitor+]

I've never met a blackfixed.

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[Nomad]

Yeah, seriously, what kind of statement is that?

[+Acyclitor+]

Just hope he gets what's coming to him before it's too lategreat way to get guns banned, btw

[Aliotroph?]

Ultimate troll fail.

[FATAL]

Except that Heidi has been so consistent over the years that I'm beginning to suspect (s)he really thinks like that.

[Nomad]

Still, obvious troll is obvious.

[+Acyclitor+]

10/10 rage every time

[David.Dweedle]

Dunno what to think about this one, so I'm interrested in what you have to say.

I heard that in a recent speech, Obama brought up the unemployment issue, and that he focussed on Blacks, and them being hit harder.

So? Racist, or pointing out a statistic?

In one sense, it's Obama driving a wedge farther between Blacks and Whites, only caring about the Black unemployment, and Whites don't matter at all.

On the other hand, you could take it as just a statistic, which most of the victims of the layoffs are more likely Blacks than Whites.

So, what's your stance? I'm riding the pine on this one. I can see either side on this one.

Probly a good 60% Of blacks are in the Ghetto with No or Very Low Paying jobs(Sorry but this is True no offense) also there is still a huge distrust between Blacks and Whites and since Whites are more Numerous in the Middle-Upper class so Whites basicly own most Business thus offer most jobs and since there is still a high distrust between the 2 groups most Whites will hire White people.. I do not blame Obama for helping Black people get Stable jobs.. if you do not find this Acceptable then your a fool.

Oh also. If Obama was white Obama would be getting high praise from people for well " helping the black man "

America needs to get over the Skin colour issue.. if a Majority of people have a harder time finding work then Goverment should focus on helping that Majority of people.. lets face facts.. It will ALWAYS be easier for a White,Asian and Hispanic people to find Jobs than it is for Black people.

Well thats my Opinion..

[Nomad]

Considering that "white" (and all other) employers are required by federal law to hire a certain amount of "minorities", I have to ask where you get your sources.

[Aliotroph?]

That kind of bullshit could only be created by a vast bureaucracy. I'm all for equal opportunities, but quotas are not that and never will be. Hire the people who show up willing and able, regardless of race or gender.

And I demand you find said law. It sounds like bullshit anyway. No way does every employer in your country even begin to consider that when doing hiring. Not even close. Yeah, they can't exclude minorities, but that's different.

[Darkwave0000]

Hmmm. Choice of person to hire based on minority status seems not to be a beneficial way to conducting business. If hiring someone because they are part of a minority, that may often be turning away more qualified applicant simply to meet quota, and thus have lower quality staff. On opposite side, not hiring someone because of having part in a minority may often mean turning away highly skilled applicant for no business relevant reason. It would seem that the main criteria should be the applicant qualifications. If clearly less qualified applicant is chosen over highly qualified applicant, and the reasoning is believed to be discrimination, would that not be valid case for courts to hear? Thus, a quota or similar regulatory law may not be necessary.

Also, I am not believing a quota law is a practical idea. It would seem to being impossible in practice for every employer in a country to even have minorities living nearby workplace as well as these populations having representatives trained for all the different jobs available, thus leaving some businesses unable to reaching the quota. Is this law only applying in certain areas with much diversity?

[David.Dweedle]

Considering that "white" (and all other) employers are required by federal law to hire a certain amount of "minorities", I have to ask where you get your sources.

Certain amount to me = as little as possible.

and I have not got any sources this is just my personal view.

[Mystic]

its the same all over the world, most people will accept other folk as they are regardless of skin shade or ethnicity but a very vocal and nasty minority poke their big noses in and stir up distrust and often hatred. All thats needed is a concerted effort to show the haters up as the mindless loonies they are, make a big joke of them, ambareass them into seeing common sense. Either that or shoot the bastards.

[Nomad]

OK, it's not a forced quota. But more or less employers are still forced to hire minorities even if they are not as qualified because of it, else have to pay damages for "discrimination". Civil Rights Act of 1991.

[Aliotroph?]

Lies! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1991) You have no such law!

[REoL]

OK, it's not a forced quota. But more or less employers are still forced to hire minorities even if they are not as qualified because of it, else have to pay damages for "discrimination". Civil Rights Act of 1991.

That's a problem up here, especially firefighters. Boston has to hire minorites that failed, or scored lower, than other people, or those groups will sue. Probem here in Massachusetts is, the judges are bleeding-heart Libby-Libs that have no backbone. I'm all for EQUAL-opportunity, even if, unfortunately, it's an all-white crew (up here, though, likely White and Puerto-Rican).

[Aliotroph?]

This has long since ceased to be an issue here, where every second person is now Asian. :D Only time I hear of it is when the stupid suits at the U whine that the engineering profs don't hire enough women. They simply protest that no women ever apply so they can't do a damn thing about it.

It's ironic how so many service jobs are almost all immigrants. The rednecks who visit here must be put off by the Indian cabbies. How is it that they are all Indian??? I can have two different ones in a row and they'll both be Indians with degrees in computer science. Most of them are good at what they do too.

Well, I guess not all service jobs. Places selling junk women want are almost always staffed by fugly white women, unless they're insanely expensive stores, then they have European women like in shampoo commercials. WTF? Where do they find those in Alberta???

Then you have McDonalds. Doesn't matter what colour the person at the window is, they might be 12 (yup, that's legal here) and they're probably a retard.

Then you have chain restaurants, like Earls, that obviously hire only attractive women when they can find them. Then they put up ads in the bathroom suggesting we treat the waitresses like sex objects. :D

[Heidi]

Dunno what to think about this one, so I'm interrested in what you have to say.

I heard that in a recent speech, Obama brought up the unemployment issue, and that he focussed on Blacks, and them being hit harder.

So? Racist, or pointing out a statistic?

In one sense, it's Obama driving a wedge farther between Blacks and Whites, only caring about the Black unemployment, and Whites don't matter at all.

On the other hand, you could take it as just a statistic, which most of the victims of the layoffs are more likely Blacks than Whites.

So, what's your stance? I'm riding the pine on this one. I can see either side on this one.

The statistics speak for themselves, blacks are much more likely to be unemployed than any other race, but Obonga won't be doing much simply because all there's to most of the black unemployment cases is "I get enough welfare from whitey, why work?", seldom ever "the government destroyed the economy so I can't get a job"

Either way, this socialist piece of trash hates America like few I have witnessed, so this sort of "concern" he's displaying towards this particular group of Americans is shameless hypocrisy, he just doesn't care for anybody but his own criminal ass.

McCarthy, why did you leave us? :(

[REoL]

I do not blame Obama for helping Black people get Stable jobs.. if you do not find this Acceptable then your a fool.
I have no problems with this, either. The issue is that if they don't get the job, or there's not enough of them in the force, they call out the "Race Card". Sorry, if you're not qualified, you fail, period. I am dead against quotas, because that's how you put safety in jeopardy, especially emergency services.

Here's how the debacle called "Equal Opportunity (Whites Need Not Apply)" Works:

(1) Fire station (example) has a quota: 25% White, 25% Black, 25% Asian, 25% Latino.
(2) Fire station has all quotas filled, except -1 Latino (using that because they're bigest minority where I live).
(3) Three people take the exam, and we'll say 1 Latino, 2 white.
(4) White guys get a 95%, and 91%, and the Latino only got a 46% (language barrier).
(5) Who is qualified? Latino, because they are down 1.

Here's where safety is put at risk. Now we have clueless people to save our lives. Greaaaat....

Now if a Latino and White got an even score, and they fill the quota, well, still not happy, but in that case, it'll be fine, because there's no jeopardization of your safety.

The ONLY way it works, is if the White guy scored low, and they didtch the higher scoring Latino. THAT would be wrong. Same if a minority forced ditched a White guy for a higher score, or filled a quota if he was lower.


Oh also. If Obama was white Obama would be getting high praise from people for well " helping the black man "

America needs to get over the Skin colour issue.. if a Majority of people have a harder time finding work then Goverment should focus on helping that Majority of people.. lets face facts.. It will ALWAYS be easier for a White,Asian and Hispanic people to find Jobs than it is for Black people.

Well thats my Opinion..
I'll have to say, Obama himself is not really the issue, it's the racist pigs like Jessee Jackson, and Al Sharpton, that pull the race card any time they can. When these boobs wanted to help Martin Luther King in his quest for equality, King shot those two down (seriously, no pun intended) for being very racist. I aggree 100% with King. Him and Rosa Parks must be spinning in their graves right now.