Adolph Obama so Full of Himself!

[REoL]

Lessee....Obama changes national symbols (the blue eagle, for one), makes white house-style sets for his Democratic Convention, Oval Office-like setting for his propoganda hour-long TV special, and interrupting TV shows with craploads of appointees.
To top off his egotistical persona, I just saw on Ion TV, there are new $1 Obama coins, one with George Washington with a colored image (no pun intended, really) of Obama in the lower right corner, superimposing Washington. There was also a JFK one, with the same Obama overlap, with "Time for Change" on the top. I missed what the others looked like.

This guy is scaring a lot of people, Democrats as well. Promoting change, a revolution, a HUGE citizen army, and changed American symbols for his campaign. We've been down this road before, and the last political figure who did all these things was....Adolph Hitler.
At first, I thought I was overanalyzing things, but then a senator was quoted that Obama was treading too close to Hitler's ways.
Another scary thing is that he promises to bankrupt coal and fossil fuel producers, so, to quote Obama: "Your electric bill is going to skyrocket." Could this be his idea of "The Solution"? (Poor and lower-class can't afford the basic utilities, thus die off.) Call it far-fetched, but nobody thought Hitler would go as far as he did.

There's too much about him that scares me, fortunately, there's enough non-dems in the Senate to fillibuster, and to keep Obama on the level, hopefully.

For all I know, maybe I, and at least that one senator, will be wrong, and he WILL be one of the greatest presidents ever, but as of right now, he's looking dangerous.

[FATAL]

You're full of shit. Also it's Adolf.

[+Acyclitor+]

well now his evil scheme is foiled, for somebody on the internet has made a post about it

[Giftmacher]

Haven't you heard? Nobody goes on the internet but pedophiles and socially inept teenagers. The REAL American public will never know. :p

(Why does this post seem to have such an Aliotroph?-ey vibe to it?)

[rustyslacker]

The REOL American public will never know. :p
FIXED!

Also, Reol: you're an idiot.

[Jimi]

He's a showtime puppet. The real leader is somewhere behind him.

[Aliotroph?]

Haven't you heard? Nobody goes on the internet but pedophiles and socially inept teenagers. The REAL American public will never know. :p

(Why does this post seem to have such an Aliotroph?-ey vibe to it?)

Because I like that stupid smiley? :p

Here's the tacky Obama coins: https://www.obamacoincollection.com/Default.aspx?MID=527017

They're just ugly crap made by smart marketing types. Even politicians don't go around sanctioning the defacement of Presidential Dollars! There are official Obama coins they gave away to some democrats. Those are silver and were minted in England for some reason.

This thread is REoL shit.

[Nomad]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/digital_nomad/facepalm4.jpg

[blood imp]

Those are silver and were minted in England for some reason.
Haha anti-Americans.

[Aliotroph?]

Ooo, that looks like the episode where Riker was accused of murdering the mad scientist. :D

[Raptor Jesus]

Ooo, that looks like the episode where Riker was accused of murdering the mad scientist. :D

...Nerd...


:P

Picard = best Star Trek character ever!

Edit: The picture on the Obama coins site is the worst picture they could have possible used for him xD

[Aliotroph?]

You mean the one where it looks like he's looking at the sun and wondering why it burns so much?

[Raptor Jesus]

Yes. Exactly. Those coins look pretty stooped as well.

[Aliotroph?]

Indeed they do.

[MR_ROCKET]

Would you guys keep it down, I'm trying to sleep..

[Aliotroph?]

But we like wasting our time yelling at guys who invoke Godwin's Law with the thread title!

[MR_ROCKET]

Yeah yeah.. ZzZzz.. :D

[Mystic]

Calm down guys, Reol isnt an idiot he is just a bit daft and strange and for some reason imagines there could ever be a really good person as President (as long as its not Obama). I would dearly love for Obama to be a genuinely good person but in my heart of hearts I know he is just another politician doing the bidding of those few people who own the world or who seek to own it.

[Potnop]

Yeah I saw those coins and was like WTF!!!

Still, this is pretty weird saying all this. Our system prevents one person from gaining too much power. Checks and balances. I'm hopeful that they will keep any of that crazy stuff you describe from happening.

People say Adolf was voted in to Germany when it was a democracy also, but I'm not exactly sure how their government worked.

I'm pretty sure Obama won't be able to do absolutely anything he wanted if he was going to do these things in the first place...

[Nomad]

The checks and balances system doesn't work if the entire group of people are part of the same conspiracy.

[Mystic]

more like cheques and bank balances

[Nomad]

haha. probably a good analogy. Fucking lobbyists.

[rustyslacker]

The checks and balances system doesn't work if the entire group of people are part of the same conspiracy.
lol sky falling

The system is [irreversibly, I think] broken, in large part due to those damned lobbyists. But it's hardly conspiracy.

[Aliotroph?]

Easy to fix. Just ban campaign donations altogether and have any party who can run somebody in enough states (or enough counties I guess if it's state) get exactly the same amount of air time. Yeah, kinda socialist, kinda better. We don't even do that here, but we should. Hart part is convincing a bunch of rich pigs to do it.

[Nomad]

Unfortunately we can't "just ban" campaign donations. The lobbyists wouldn't let it happen, ironically enough. :P

Also, roosey, I'm not implying the whole shabang is fake, but the lobbyists and the virtually rigged elections (i.e. electoral college) don't help matters any.

[rustyslacker]

I wouldn't call the elections "rigged" due to the electoral college. Mathematically screwed up, and counterintuitive, and often contrary to what the people want? Absolutely. But I don't see how it is "rigged". Enlighten me?

[Aliotroph?]

Somehow it's still smarter than what we got. I just don't get why you guys don't know how to count votes.

[Nomad]

I wouldn't call the elections "rigged" due to the electoral college. Mathematically screwed up, and counterintuitive, and often contrary to what the people want? Absolutely. But I don't see how it is "rigged". Enlighten me?

No. I don't feel like it.

[jetflock]

Heh, he did scare alot of his supporters with that anti-gay minister guy he is bringing in....
and i saw those coins on tv being promoted by Montel Williams (who got fired over racial remarks....lol), god they are tacky.

[Raptor Jesus]

Montel Got Fired!?!?!

Now How Willi Know Whose Kid It Is?!

[Aliotroph?]

Maury will tell us!

[Nomad]

Only time either of their shows were entertaning was when they'd send all the little brats to boot camp.

[Aliotroph?]

I liked the ones with the weird couples and the ones with the phobias.

[Doom_Dude]

Shitty coins are shitty. Also this isn't something new.... presidents on coins. Haha!

[Aliotroph?]

So can we call pennies "Lincoins?" ;)

[Nomad]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE SO CLEVER Except not.

[primus1236]

You're crazy man.*cacchz*

[Aliotroph?]

Nomad would hate me in meatspace. I do nothing but spit out puns and random jokes all day, many of them just as bad as above.

[+Acyclitor+]

damn this thread turned out good.

[Doom_Dude]

I hate the word meatspace. I keep imagining meatballs in space or something.

I also think REoL made this wacky thread to see the responses to his fake Obama views. :p

[ace]

*Pops into thread*

The first image that came to my mind was a meat locker...

Also haha what.

*Wanders off*

[Potnop]

The checks and balances system doesn't work if the entire group of people are part of the same conspiracy.

Well he is bringing in people like Hilary Clinton who were his competitors for the presidency so I doubt that everyone is gonna be in on the conspiracy... Still it's weird that he's doing that because then she won't really be able to run for president in the next election and stuff...

And the point of the electoral college is back when the US was first getting startet the founding fathers or whatever didn't think the citizens were smart enough to elect the president. Except they also didn't think that congress or senate or whatever electing the president was a good idea either since it could be rigged too easily. So they compromised by letting the citizens basically decide and then the electoral college makes the final decision or something. I'm not even 100% sure how that works... I just know that somehow the citizens vote should sortof matter in some way.

[Aliotroph?]

The citizens didn't vote for anything when it started. The point of the electoral college was to send a few guys to go figure it out. This was after all when crossing the country could take months and you might just die trying. The original system was kind of neat. They would all get two votes they used on different candidates. The guy with the most votes was President and the runner up was VP. You could have those two having wildly different views, or they could even be mortal enemies.

Methinks there's no conspiracy, just lots of bureaucracy and people covering their asses. They only have little conspiracies.

And congress does get to choose the President in cases where there's a tie. It's happened before too.

Obama's cabinet is looking interesting. He's got Clinton, he has a couple of Republicans, and he has some people nobody in Washington ever heard of.

[Potnop]

Usually when people scream conspiracy it's never true...

I still laugh at the "Bush caused 9/11" conspiracy.

[Aliotroph?]

I still laugh at the "NASA fakes its missions" conspiracy.

[Mystic]

well laughing wont make them less true.
the thing about even the biggest conspiracies is that people are involved, the bigger the conspiracy the more people so the more things can go wrong. Even those groups like the Freemasons, Bilderburgs, Bohemian Grove etc are so full of self seeking, idiotic, 'born with a silver spoon in their mouth' champagne charlie types that their conspiracies will never completely succeed and there will always be leaks and weak points.
Their best bet is that those who proudly proclaim to be sceptical (wether its because they are a part of it or because they are actually terrified that there might really be conspiracies) are the ones that people will listen to instead of those who have seen the light.

People dont believe NASA faked missions because it shatters their hopes and dreams.

George Washington and all the other leaders of the American revolution were Freemasons, go look it up, the informaton is there if you care to look, they dont hide that stuff at all. Even today there is no way you can be President if you are not a Freemason. That fact alone should ensure that no adolf hitler types get power.

[Aliotroph?]

They may have started with a lot of freemasons but they didn't end up with only them. That would be silly and would generate at least a rumor. For some reason those kinds of conspiracy theories are always put forward by people who feel oppressed because their nutball political ideas (ie. communism) get shot down.

The space thing is totally silly. You'd have a lot of smart people with solid, verifiable numbers claiming it was a hoax if that were true. What do you get instead? A bunch of guys who don't know a damn thing about gravity, radiation, or photographic exposures (that last one really boggles the mind). Funny how everybody has opposite theories about the Russians in space. Some people will insist there were all kinds of secret soviet missions that got people killed. I suspect the approaching days of private rocketry will settle the matter for the most part -- and also kill a few dozen people along the way. I also suspect that man will never reach the stars.

[Mystic]

Im fairly sure that unless we can produce a machine that does magic, like a teleport/stargate thingy, we will never reach the stars, absolutely no point trying to make a propelled space vehicle, it could never move faster than light so no use at all.

They should stop giving the job to astronomers who I think are the biggest bunch of overpaid bullshitters and try to persuade some genuine magicians/mystics to come up with something, give them any funds, engineers etc they need. Makes more sense to me than daft stuff like that Hardon accelerator piece of junk.

[Potnop]

LOL hardon accelerator. That always makes me laugh...

I feel like the biggest BS is where people try to guess exactly what the cavemen did and stuff. I'm tired of those stupid History Channel shows where they make a narrative of the life of some caveman tribe and are like, "Next Krunk reaches into the rock and pulls out his bow to protect his woman from the rival tribe." Yeah I bet that's exactly what happened LOL...

[Aliotroph?]

They just make up something plausible because it's the only way to get through some people's skulls that things were not always the same. I saw a neato one about the evolution of life and how it emerged onto land (I had to go after some big bugs and crabs made it onto land). It was very heavy on pretty computer animation and speculation, very clever. That kind of thing keeps people paying attention more than a bucket of bones and a talking head would, and maybe it teaches them a thing or two.

The thing I'm most sick of on the History Channel is the number of WWII shows they do. At least pick another bloody war!!!

[Nomad]

Haha. With that last post, Mystic, you are just as silly as REoL. With a statement like "Im fairly sure that unless we can produce a machine that does magic, like a teleport/stargate thingy, we will never reach the stars, absolutely no point trying to make a propelled space vehicle, it could never move faster than light so no use at all," that puts you on the same level as the people that said back in the 50's that "There will never be any use for a computer that can fit inside someone's home."

Give it another 50 years and we'll see what sort of technology we have.

[Giftmacher]

I think 50 years from now the world's superpowers will be far too busy fighting amongst themselves for the remaining natural resources to even think about space travel. And maybe I'll just throw in the possibility of a nuclear apocalypse just so the cynicism is complete.

[Potnop]

Siiigh... I hope not....

I bet people 50 years ago thought there'd be a nuclear apocalypse by now. That's around when the cold war was.

"K children! Hide under the desks so you don't get blown up by the nuclear explosion when those damn communists try to kill us all!!" Heh I'm Russian...

[REoL]

He's a showtime puppet. The real leader is somewhere behind him.

http://www.tvland.com/photogallery/photos/Hogan_225.jpg

SHULTZ!!!!

(Older people may get this one.)

[REoL]

And the point of the electoral college is back when the US was first getting startet the founding fathers or whatever didn't think the citizens were smart enough to elect the president. Except they also didn't think that congress or senate or whatever electing the president was a good idea either since it could be rigged too easily. So they compromised by letting the citizens basically decide and then the electoral college makes the final decision or something. I'm not even 100% sure how that works... I just know that somehow the citizens vote should sortof matter in some way.

Uhh, not quite right, although a lot of it is.
Actually, the Electoral College was designed so that no one particular region would ultimately decide the President. If there was no such college, New York City and Los Angeles would decide everything. Everyone else literally didn't count.
It's not a perfect system, though, because Al Gore had the popular vote, yet lost by Electoral College. McCain lost by a mile, yet only lost by a mere 3% of the popular vote.
Sometimes, it backfires, like the Gore incident.

Speaking of, didn't you notice that McCain didn't cry for a recount? One thing I can say is, Republicans can lose and ACCEPT IT. Look at the Dems, recount this, don't count Florida's votes that, such sore losers, even in their own party!

Let's all be thankful that Huckabee didn't win it all. Might've been more scary than Obama. :eek:

[Aliotroph?]

He would have asked for a recount if it had been really close and down to one state. He'd have been silly if he didn't in such a case. As it was, we could tell he was going to lose long before the night was over, and several days before they had even called all the states.

@Nomad: People were still saying that about computers in the mid 70s. Fools! :D

Hehehe, nuclear holocausts... duck and cover! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2kdpAGDu8s)

[+Acyclitor+]

If there was no such college, New York City and Los Angeles would decide everythingthis if false.

[Mystic]

Haha. blah blah blah
Give it another 50 years and we'll see what sort of technology we have.

Actually all it shows is that Im not swallowing that silly trekky daydream about space travel being possible. I may look silly to you but not half as silly as you appear to me on that statement. I know from reading other posts by you that you are not an idiot but we shall have to agree to differ about space travel. My crystal ball does tell me Im right though. The way things are going we may have no technology left in 50 years time and travel to other parts of our own planet may become a thing of the past.

blah blah.....
The thing I'm most sick of on the History Channel is the number of WWII shows they do. At least pick another bloody war!!!
agreed, we call it the 'hitler channel' over here, same sanitised garbage time after time.

[Giftmacher]

The reason people are so bored of WW2 shows/games isn't the fact that it's based in WW2, it's the fact that people always pick the same battles, the same countries, and the same point of view every single time. If they're do a documentary/game about the Germans capturing central Europe, then it would be a lot more interesting. Nobody's ever made a game where you play as a Wehrmacht grunt fighting the French.

[Mystic]

would be better to have one with lots of possible scenarios, like being able to choose which side you are on (german, french, british, american, japanese, italian etc) then having to do missions in lots of varied locations. being able to choose a female character might open the game up to the untapped female side of the games market too.

[FATAL]

The more hardcore war games practically always let you play as whatever little country you want to. Steel Panthers, for example, has plenty of missions where you can play as the Finns.

[Nomad]

Actually all it shows is that Im not swallowing that silly trekky daydream about space travel being possible. I may look silly to you but not half as silly as you appear to me on that statement. I know from reading other posts by you that you are not an idiot but we shall have to agree to differ about space travel. My crystal ball does tell me Im right though. The way things are going we may have no technology left in 50 years time and travel to other parts of our own planet may become a thing of the past.

You realize that the closest star to us is only about ~4.5 lightyears away from us? Yes, it is not likely that we will ever have anything close to reaching light speed, simply because of the physics involved; long story short, mass expanding as it reaches light speed. But, we have the technology NOW to send something to closer stars that are possible to reach there within our lifetimes. Laser and plasma propulsion coupled with solar/photon sails can cover the distance from Earth to Mars in a week (with conventional propulsion systems taking nine months or more).

The only problem with this technology thus far, is that although it can reach very high velocities, it does not produce a lot of force, which means it would take a while to reach those velocities. HOWEVER, this does not mean that the technology can't be improved. And given the advances we've had since the 1950s, I think it's rather safe to say that we will see even more significant advances in the next 50 years.

Your crystal ball must be quite cloudy. And you might want to ask it for some references.

[Aliotroph?]

Heh, most armies in WWII wouldn't let a female in for anything but nursing, driving trucks or building things in factories. The Americans had them doing crazy things like operating computers and calutrons to make firing tables and refine uranium, respectively. Still makes for sucky gaming.

I dispute the fancy laser/plasma rockets. Nobody ever managed anything like that with proper efficiency or scale to send anything to Mars at all. No way could they reach Mars in a week anyway. You'd need some wicked acceleration for that, which would equal an engine with a stupid amount of power, like that of a chemical rocket. Can't even build an ion drive that would burn long enough to reach Alpha Centauri. I think if they could, they'd still be looking at a travel time of several decades.

[Potnop]

LOL goes from duscussing obama, to WWII, to space travel....

[Nomad]

Aliotroph?: I only said they could cover the distance between Earth and Mars in a week, AND mentioned the acceleration problems. :P lern2read

But even a couple decades is better than never. However, I'm still confident that we will have better technology in the next 50 years. Even if it isn't possible to make a propulsion device strong and reliable enough to get us to the stars in a short-ish amount of time, we will have the technology to stop our aging process so we can live long enough to make the trip. :P

@potnop: Actually it went from obama to space travel to ww2 back to space travel.

[Potnop]

LOL something like that...

IDK about aging process, but there will probably be way better health care and people will live longer.

But if my aging drastically slows down, SIGN ME UP!!!

[Nomad]

IDK about aging process, but there will probably be way better health care and people will live longer.

This is just the first step (http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/08/11/2331197.htm?site=science). One organ then on to multiple organs, then on to reversing the aging process and repairing accumulated damage to the body. We will, in effect, become eternally youthful. However, not immortal.

Nanotech and organic machinery will fix that, though.

The funny thing about Mystic's "star trekky dreaming" comment is that we've already got tons of things that were predicted in the original classic. Everything from cell phones (tricorders) to floppy discs. The only limit to what we can achieve is our imagination.

[Doom_Dude]

The funny thing about Mystic's "star trekky dreaming" comment is that we've already got tons of things that were predicted in the original classic. Everything from cell phones (tricorders) to floppy discs. The only limit to what we can achieve is our imagination.Not to mention doors that open by themselves when you walk up to them. ;)

[Mystic]

instead of eternal youth half the population of the economically advanced parts of the world will be dropping like flies from brain tumors caused by over use of mobile phones. The more I try to see what the future might hold the more I think the movie 'idiocracy' will be seen as prophetic. Sadly I think humanity has peaked and is on its way out, we have outlived our usefulness to nature and will most likely be well on our way to extinction in 50 years time.

On games, first person shooters like Call of Duty etc should allow the user to choose which side to play for and which side to fight against the same way rts games have been letting us choose for years. It actually makes financial sense to do it when you consider the huge german market, even more sense when taking the japanese, chinese and russian markets into consideration. I would have hated the command and conquer games if I was forced to be GDI all the time.

[Aliotroph?]

People susceptible to brain cancers will die of it. Evolution will create cancer-resistant people. Therefore, curing cancer is evil. ;)

Heh, my brain must have blanked Nomad's second paragraph earlier. Meh. The only real technological hurdle we have is cramming a stupidly huge amount of energy into a tiny place. If we had figured that out spaceships, laser guns, infinite food, etc. would all be relatively easy.

[Nomad]

instead of eternal youth half the population of the economically advanced parts of the world will be dropping like flies from brain tumors caused by over use of mobile phones.

Are you stuck in the 1990's or something? You still believe this?

And going extinct in 50 years? Over 6 billion people? I hate to say, but you are a fucking idiot.

[Mystic]

the governments of the west are hiding the truth about mobile phones because they make Billions from them. A few years ago a group of british police officers got some airtime on BBC radio to tell us how they all have brain tumors from using their mobile phones too much as part of their job. At the time their medics couldnt see what else was causing it also about the same time Holland was considering a complete ban on mobile phones but for some reason never got around to it. The whole thing has since been covered up, Im not the fucking idiot you arsewipe.

[Nomad]

The internet is worldwide and can't possibly be being completely censored by "the governments of the west". Maybe you can cite some references instead of pulling this "The Sky Is Falling" shit from your ass. Find something from Russia if you have to.

Seriously.

Besides, if the minute radiation coming from the phone is that dangerous, use a damn earpiece.

[Mystic]

http://www.wellnessmap.org/research-library/microwaves/mobile-phones-danger.html
http://www.wellnessmap.org/research-library/microwaves/the-difficult-survival-in-a-global-microwave-oven.html
Just to get started

It amazes me that people (including myself) can so easily ignore 'inconvenient' truths.

[rustyslacker]

It amazes me that people (including myself) can so easily ignore 'inconvenient' truths.
And it amazes me that some people believe everything they read on the internet.

That being said:
The radiation produced by a microwave oven is non-ionizing. It therefore does not have the cancer risks associated with ionizing radiation such as X-rays, ultraviolet light, and high-energy particles.
And the cell phone = cancer link is not definitive (yet, I suppose). There's evidence for it, but I like disagreeing with you because you have some postmodern gullibility complex that amuses me.

[Nomad]

Rusty pretty much hit the nail on the head. Mobile phones don't produce the type of radiation that typically causes cancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation).

Also, I can link to a dozen studies that show no correlation between mobile phone use and cancer, if you want me to. I'll start with a couple.

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/23/1707
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/161/6/526
http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v93/n7/abs/6602764a.html
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/163/6/512
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/114072761/HTMLSTART

Those ought to keep you busy for a while. Unless, of course, they're all faked by the western governments!

In short, we have a lot more to worry about people driving while using cell phones than we do getting cancer from our phones.

[Aliotroph?]

Cancer rates for most things appear low enough that you can double the number of cases easily and have no threat to the population anyway. Yeah, I'd put my money in preventing car accidents if I cared much about the mortality of people. Well, that and ensuring we can always have energy and food.

LOL@microwaves. That crappy article acts like they fill food full of radiation. ROFL If there was any reason to be scared of olde 1940s microwave equipment it was obviously the lack of shielding around such. There's a wonderful legend about an American guy who got the idea for microwave ovens because the equipment he was working on melted the chocolate bar in his pocket. Well, if it was doing that, it was quite unshielded and he would be hurting pretty quick. Heh, radar screens don't use microwaves anyway. They use CRTs. Unshielded CRTs could poison you in some cases I might imagine (x-rays and all). All the microwave stuff is in the domes, dishes, and towers. I have yet to find a CRT that could keep anybody warm unless they were touching it or its heat was warming the room. Scary WWII tech indeed. Funny how that thing didn't mention the Brits had more powerful radar by the time the Battle of Britain rolled around.

Methinks we should make Mystic a tinfoil space-marine helmet. ;)

[Mystic]

Companies like vodafone, virgin, nokia, motorola etc spend hundreds of millions bribing scientists for research that 'proves' their products are safe, the press also gets hefty bribes on top of the advertising revenue. Television companies make a fortune from all those effing 'phone in' quiz shows and 'reality' shows.

Look at where the research is done, it tells a story. Most of the research warning of dangers comes from scandinavian countries or Canada, all with relatively small populations so smaller markets and with governments more accountable to their voters. The research which seems to dispel the dangers comes mostly from the USA and the UK whose governments get billions for allowing the cellphone companies to irradiate us with their microwaves. A lot of that research deliberately ignores or overlooks certain important evidence but those of you who need that false sense of security wont want to know that.

There really is a whole lot of covering up/ignoring of the dangers but the truth will become obvious in the not too distant future. By then Im sure you lot who are blinding yourself to the truth will all claim you knew it all along.

[Nomad]

Companies like vodafone, virgin, nokia, motorola etc spend hundreds of millions bribing scientists for research that 'proves' their products are safe, the press also gets hefty bribes on top of the advertising revenue. Television companies make a fortune from all those effing 'phone in' quiz shows and 'reality' shows.

I'd like to see some proof of this scientist bribin. For the rest, that's capitalism.

Look at where the research is done, it tells a story. Most of the research warning of dangers comes from scandinavian countries or Canada, all with relatively small populations so smaller markets and with governments more accountable to their voters.

Ha! Take a look at this graph (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/med_tel_mob_cel_percap-telephones-mobile-cellular-per-capita) which shows cell phone ownership per-capita in the world. Even Canada, which apparently should have a "smaller market" has slightly more than 1 cell phone per 2 people. Also, Finland is where Nokia started, and otherwise all of the Scandinavian countries have way more phones per capita than the US. Do some fucking research before you spout this inane bullshit.

The research which seems to dispel the dangers comes mostly from the USA and the UK whose governments get billions for allowing the cellphone companies to irradiate us with their microwaves. A lot of that research deliberately ignores or overlooks certain important evidence but those of you who need that false sense of security wont want to know that.

If I'm not mistaken, the original argument is that Cell phones cause cancer? Correct? What do microwaves have to do with that? We already know that MOBILE PHONES (OR MOBILE PHONE TOWERS) DO NOT PRODUCE THE TYPE OF RADIATION THAT CAUSES CANCER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation).

There really is a whole lot of covering up/ignoring of the dangers but the truth will become obvious in the not too distant future. By then Im sure you lot who are blinding yourself to the truth will all claim you knew it all along.

No, microwaves or similar waves in the electromagnetic spectrum are not exactly healthy for us. But they aren't anywhere near as dangerous as you have been led to believe. You are the one that has been deceived. If you get off your high-horse for one moment, you old coot, and listen to some reason rather than poking about conspiracy theory websites, you might come to realize it.

Until then, you might want to get yourself a tin foil hat so the aliens don't steal your brain waves.

[Mystic]

And it amazes me that some people believe everything they read on the internet.


You might remember arguing the opposite way a while back when I was knocking wikipedia.

I had never seen those web pages before posting in this thread, I was asked to produce evidence and thats what I found at short notice, Im sure I could dig up more but I cant be arsed.
I dont really use telephones of any kind unless I have to so those cancer threats dont scare me, if anything I look forward to the day when all those annoying people wandering around shouting into cellphones are gone for good. The herd does need trimming after all.


Anyway, I enjoy some of your posts.

@ nomad, "Standardized incidence ratios (SIRs) were calculated by dividing the number of observed cancer cases in the cohort by the number expected in the Danish population."
if you cant see how that article is bullshit masquerading as research then you are the one needing a tinfoil hat

try this, its not earth shattering and is written in laymans terms rather than 'trying real hard to look clever tech talk'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/braintumour1.shtml
http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/index.htm
ending on this one which blows your oxfordjournals stuff out of the water
http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/docs/section_10.pdf
your oxfordjournals links are to deliberately bad research programs that never intended to show the truth, dont be shocked, it goes on all the time, gotta keep those research grants rolling in.

[Aliotroph?]

Hehe, government of Canada accountable to anything? Nope. They just do what they want. Our senators are even appointed. We should eat them so they'd become more useful. Canada's parties force MPs to vote on party lines. That makes them less accountable than the Americans, though the Americans manage to balance that out by being even more bought out by companies. Honestly, campaign donations of more than about $30 should be so illegal they're considered treason.

[Mystic]

well most politicians are like pigs feeding in the trough of taxpayers money, I would get rid of the lot of them, never give power to someone who wants it, that shows they cant be trusted with it.

Oops I have to add a link with a conspiracy feel to it, for the sake of my public image
http://www.cancertruth.net/?gclid=CP6G5-2ZgZgCFQGHHgodPjIJDw

I have no idea whats in the book other than what the blurb says but it does look interesting.

[Nomad]

I dont really use telephones of any kind unless I have to so those cancer threats dont scare me, if anything I look forward to the day when all those annoying people wandering around shouting into cellphones are gone for good. The herd does need trimming after all.

That I can agree with; this planet is way overpopulated in the first place. The fact that we're overpopulated with such brainless fucktards is even worse.

@ nomad, "Standardized incidence ratios (SIRs) were calculated by dividing the number of observed cancer cases in the cohort by the number expected in the Danish population."
if you cant see how that article is bullshit masquerading as research then you are the one needing a tinfoil hat

How is that difficult to understand? Just because it's using and elevated lexicon does not mean it is "bullshit". The research journals I posted are peer reviewed. Which means that the journals are open to dispute from any scientist in the world, or for that matter anyone with the knowledge to dispute it. I'm am 100% sure that there are plenty of paranoid scientists out there that would have made a big scene about being paid off to keep from bad mouthing mobile phones.

try this, its not earth shattering and is written in laymans terms rather than 'trying real hard to look clever tech talk'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/braintumour1.shtml
http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/index.htm
ending on this one which blows your oxfordjournals stuff out of the water
http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/docs/section_10.pdf
your oxfordjournals links are to deliberately bad research programs that never intended to show the truth, dont be shocked, it goes on all the time, gotta keep those research grants rolling in.

First one just has a small part that says (and I paraphrase) "There is evidence that Brain tumors might be caused by EMFs, but it is not certain." Hardly proof of your claims.

Secondly, the second two links you posted are basically the same thing. And all it really is is a metastudy of the results that INTERPHONE has already published. I will have to read this, though. Sounds like they may actually be on to something--however, that hardly means they're right. It is not a peer reviewed meta study from what I can tell, and just the fact that it is basing its "research" on others' research just makes me think that they're probably manipulating it to reach their own agenda.

[Mystic]

Nope, they are using all the research available but studying it to find the truth instead of manipulating it with statisticians tricks to hide the truth.

The reason so much of that kind of research is done in Sweden is because in Sweden there is an epidemic of those sort of cancers, a much higher proportion of swedes get them than anywhere else and they just happen to have been using cellphones for longer than the rest of the world. Other associated problems in Sweden is the high incidence of babies being born with deformities/abnormalities and swedish men having an ever decreasing sperm count. For years now thousands of Swedes have been adopting babies from east european countries rather than breed their own. Their problems with cancers etc are well known in east european countries but for some reason we never hear about it here in the west. I dont think its a coincidence that swedes mostly use ericsson phones which have a much higher radiation then others.

[Nomad]

Er. It is a coincidence because Ericsson started in Sweden. Same as Nokia starting in Finland.

[Mystic]

exactly, its NO coincidence, that is the reason.

[FATAL]

Excessive use of mobile phones may slightly increase the chance of obtaining cancer. There is radiation involved, whose effect on various cells we do not yet fully know. It is very possible that it is damaging, if only minimally so.

However, I find it very hard to believe that there could be a mass cancer epidemic because of mobile phones. The fact that radio operators in the past pretty much sat in giant microwaves ovens without too many of them getting any serious illnessnes shows that the human body is quite resistant against various kinds of radiation.

That the cancer rate has been increasing during the modern times is true, but to my knowledge it has been occurring well before mobile phones were available to the general public. The main reason for people getting different cancers more often these days has to be looked elsewhere, I reckon. I can't believe that mobile phones themselves are even close to being the biggest reason here.

[Mystic]

you dont want to believe it, thats understandable especially as it applies to Finland too, but not wanting something to be true doesnt make it happen. Anyway Nokia are a lot safer to use than ericsson, its a weaker signal or something. Im sure you are aware of Swedens problems though and they have increased dramatically in the last 10 years.

Just because we are not informed about military personel getting ill as a result of working conditions doesnt mean its not happening. A lot of modern day soldiers are being exposed to dangerous amounts of radiation in artillery shells and armour piercing bulllets. The governments dont care and will keep getting dodgy scientists to claim there is no proof of cause.

They can always say there is no proof because you can never actually prove what has caused a cancer, you have to make an educated guess.

[Aliotroph?]

Doing statistics on anything with less than thousands of cases is somewhat dubious anyway. :p I dislike these kinds of studies for anything. Unless the numbers go through the roof they never prove anything because they can't control for other things that might be involved and they're based on people answering questions about things like their cell phone use ten years previously.

No, the correct way to do this kind of thing would be to recruit people to sit with their heads in microwave beams for an hour every day for ten years. It's really a good idea. Could help pay the bills for a lot of people, or at least give them some time to read.

Even in the big study of all the studies that showed increasing risk showed it wasn't that high. It wouldn't put a dent in an otherwise healthy population. I think this justifies my idea to put microwave beams to people's heads. I propose to be one of the subjects of this!

[Potnop]

LOL reminds me of the show Braniac.

Was fun to watch, but not scientific what so ever. They take 1 guy and say, oh if this happens with him it's definitely true... OK it's not true because he didn't do this one thing that people normally do in this situation.

[Mystic]

I think a 200 percent increased risk is quite high

[Aliotroph?]

Not when the overall incidence in a population is low. If it goes from 1% to 3% I'm not gonna care too much. It's not threatening to society as a whole. Still more likely to be killed by my mom's driving. It's more likely the numbers are something like 1 in 10,000 anyway. Going to 3 in 10,000 doesn't change much.

[Mr. Chris]

Obama, just another empty suit full of broken promises...I'm sick of seeing merchandise of him EVERYWHERE, even the small phone store in the mall has Obama shit for sale....enough of president-elect fellation please! And no, I didn't vote for this ditz, I voted for Barr.

And besides, it was mostly the DNC's fault for getting us into this financial meltdown in the first place since GOP wanted to put some regulations on housing loans for lower income families, which got rejected 36 times by the Dems, who have controlled Congress since 2006.

[Aliotroph?]

Well, half the publicity is because he's black.

Speaking of Adolf, this made me LOL: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6603498

[Mr. Chris]

Half-black, technically.

[Mystic]

which half???

I think he is actually half white.

[Nomad]

I'm half nauseous that this thread is still being replied to!

[ghost]

Obama's not a bloody zebra! lol.

[Potnop]

Well, half the publicity is because he's black.

Speaking of Adolf, this made me LOL: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6603498


AHAHAHAH LMAO.

Aryan Nation is quite the middle name...

I want some Gorge Bush coins. C'moon... It's funny... I want a beautiful family heirloom of a George Bush plate... And with beautiful golden thread, on the back is embroidered the famous phrase "Mission Accomplished" to commemorate the historic moment of Bush's temporary truimph over Iraq and terrorism. I WANT IT SO MUCH!!!!

Seriously, who buys those things...

[Aliotroph?]

I think it's the same people who buy every single box set of civil war stuff, even those 98% of them are about Gettysburg! :D