its obama

[jetflock]

doo dah doo.....

[Raptor Jesus]

Sadly :C.

I predict that before he is actually in office, he will be shot.

[Mystic]

that wouldnt surprise me at all, I was wondering about the high turn out and if maybe a lot of folk were voting simply to stop a black guy winning.

Anyway lets hope the guy survives the hatred and does some good for the world

[Nomad]

Sadly :C.

I predict that before he is actually in office, he will be shot.

Shot at, no doubt, but I doubt he will get killed in office. Perhaps my faith is misplaced, but the secret service knows the drill by now.

[Mystic]

hey Nomad, sorry about being off topic but how do I type on the 'hay guise' news buletin' ???

[Aliotroph?]

Unless this really is the Matrix, they might be hard pressed to stop bullets. :p That said, I have a gut feeling he won't get shot. And if he does, Biden looks more with it than McCain.

[sLydE]

w00t!
*bang* *wired* *flip* *party* *surprise*

I'm happy we're making some changes. I even participated (http://www.worthlessgenius.com/2008/11/04/why-i-voted-today/) this time. Hopefully we can make the whole world a better place, not just our country.

[+Acyclitor+]

it didn't really sink in until after midnight. after hearing Obama was projected to win, I just went back to playing counter-strike and whatnot. I was happy enough, the batshit insane fundies didn't get the office. but after settling down for some tv and reading, I was a little blown away by the amount of celebration the news channels were reporting. that's when it hit me just how big this day was for so many people.

I only have two hopes for his presidency: A) repeal Bush's warrantless wiretapping programs and all that crap, B) no AWB. in my dreams *cacmad*

I kinda would have liked to see the republicans take more seats in congress than they did, to maintain at least some balance of party power.

[CrazedImp]

If Obama is assassinated, America will lose absolutely all dignity and respect in the world. Not that they haven't practically lost it already. Seriously, elect a black president, and then shoot him? Yeah people will look good on you after that.

[Nomad]

Lol. The "party system" is all an illusion anyway.

If Obama is assassinated, America will lose absolutely all dignity and respect in the world. Not that they haven't practically lost it already. Seriously, elect a black president, and then shoot him? Yeah people will look good on you after that.

Ha! As if someone stupid enough to shoot at the president thinks about that sort of thing!

[sLydE]

seriously. "he's a turrist who is bent on makin all whait people slaves!!!!!"

Sorry for that, but that was an actual argument I heard from a lady who:
1. Was planning on voting for McCain (see #3)
2. Had never heard of Palin
3. (this is what gets me) said (this is an actual quote, no joke) "They wouldn't let me vote"
when asked why: "they said I'm not registered."
umm...you have to register in order to be eligible to vote: "I'm an Amerrcin, it should be my riight to vote."

/me facepalms

[Nomad]

HA HA!

Definitely what I love about this country. Freedom of Stupidity.

[Doom_Dude]

I watched a lot of it on CNN last night. At one point they showed on a big touch-screen monitor the map of the U.S. and the dude started to 'in theory' give Mccain a whole bunch of the states where the polls hadn't closed yet and it became very apparent that Mccain wasn't likely to win. I was also amazed at how much info they had on voters... they could pull up all sorts of stats like how many white folk had voted in a particular state or how many women, etc...

Hopefully Obama will turn out to be a great president. Good riddance to that Bushwacker tool.

[sLydE]

At one point they showed on a big touch-screen monitor the map of the U.S. and the dude started to 'in theory' give Mccain a whole bunch of the states where the polls hadn't closed yet and it became very apparent that Mccain wasn't likely to win.
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[PumpkinSmasher]

that wouldnt surprise me at all, I was wondering about the high turn out and if maybe a lot of folk were voting simply to stop a black guy winning
It was actually the exact opposite, more black people registered and voted in order to get the black guy to win.

I personally do not trust Obama, and think America made the wrong decision. But only time will tell.

[xbolt]

For the record, the people that voted against Obama simply because he's black, they really annoy me. I voted for McCain, because I honestly think that he would do a better job than Obama will. If I thought Obama would do a better job, I would have voted for him. But such as it is, I have very low hopes for the next four years.

[PumpkinSmasher]

I'm just waiting to see who he selects for his cabinet. I hope he surrounds himself well. He needs a strong cabinet perhaps more than any president before him.

[Mystic]

I hope he surrounds himself with folk who are not interested in lining the pockets of the rich at the expence of the poor. That would be nice wouldnt it?

[PumpkinSmasher]

I hope he doesn't follow through with his tax plan to raise taxes and give more money to people on welfare.

[jetflock]

Yeah, whatever. I mean, I like Obama because he is the lesser of 2 evils....but I hate how people think he is the savior. And if I here 1 more person say this is a "historical event" I am gonna puke. Why, because he is black? Its 2008! The only historical thing is the boring one, an election and a new president. Blarg.

Edit: And on a more personal note: McCain had no chance in hell to win. You got this old guy (who by the way had enough skin cancer to die at any moment) and a religious nutcase (I wish god spoke to me) verses sexy Obama-groomed to be the president. If anyone really thinks we choose the new leader-then blarg. McCain and Obama both suck-don't get me wrong....And looking at the both of them in a situation that wasn't "fixed", I suppose I would go for Obama....screw them both though....This edit note is more of a side thought though-I am not getting more into that because this is a doom website....just ranting.

[FATAL]

I've been following the debates and speeches a bit, yet I can't really see where you people think Obama's going the wrong way. I want you people to enlighten me. Although it's obvious that he can't achieve all the goals he's set, that he has set those goals shows that he's heading in the right direction.

[Mystic]

Well it is 'rants and raves', I like a good rant. I agree with you on a lot there. (@jetflock)

The eternal optimist in me hopes Obama is a genuinely good person and goes on to do lots of wonderful things and solve the worlds problems.
Then the cynic in me wonders if Obama is just Americas new Tony Blair, when he was first elected here we were overjoyed that we would see real changes after 18 years of right wing conservative rule but it all went wrong and any changes were for the worse. I hope my cynic is very wrong for everyones sake.

[Aliotroph?]

I agree with Fatal. I have yet to find anything Obama says he's committed to that's a real problem. He'll never pass half the stuff he'd like anyway (people never seem to understand that about U.S. presidents).

Any notion of the world losing respect for America over one crazy deciding to assassinate Obama is stupid. Any society that throws out its respect for another based on a couple rifle-wielding nuts probably doesn't deserve much respect itself!

I guess we get to wait and see if Obama is good at his job. Will be awesome if he is. The stuff about him being some kind of saviour is crap though. I keep hearing people say the world is a better place because he won. I'm pretty convinced the world is still the same place. :p

[MR_ROCKET]

Well Obama has made a lot of promises..
All I have to say is, lets just hope he sticks to his word.

[rustyslacker]

Yeah, whatever. I mean, I like Obama because he is the lesser of 2 evils....but I hate how people think he is the savior. And if I here 1 more person say this is a "historical event" I am gonna puke. Why, because he is black? Its 2008! The only historical thing is the boring one, an election and a new president. Blarg.

Edit: And on a more personal note: McCain had no chance in hell to win. You got this old guy (who by the way had enough skin cancer to die at any moment) and a religious nutcase (I wish god spoke to me) verses sexy Obama-groomed to be the president. If anyone really thinks we choose the new leader-then blarg. McCain and Obama both suck-don't get me wrong....And looking at the both of them in a situation that wasn't "fixed", I suppose I would go for Obama....screw them both though....This edit note is more of a side thought though-I am not getting more into that because this is a doom website....just ranting.
I'm definitely with my buddy jetty on this one. It makes me uneasy that he is so hailed as a savior/redeemer/whatnot, although I cautiously support him.

Unfortunately, my politically perverse hopes for President Sarah Palin have been dashed.

[Aliotroph?]

LOL That's pretty perverse.

Obama already broke his campaign-finance promise. Can't say I blame him, but he did. Obama seems to be the type who looks at what's happening and changes his game accordingly, always looking good in the process. Yup, this whole thing will be fun to watch.

[Nomad]

I think what will be more fun to watch is what the current administration tries (and possibly succeeds in) getting away with before January!

[Raptor Jesus]

I can't wait to hear everyone bitch and whine and moan like what has been done with every presidency.

[sLydE]

Unfortunately, my politically perverse hopes for President Sarah Palin have been dashed.
There was a site called VPILF that showed up immediately after they announced her as a running mate. I will not link to it, use Google if you want to view such materials.

[rustyslacker]

Slyde, I meant politically perverse, as in wishing to see her run the country into the ground. D:

[Big_al]

Shot at, no doubt, but I doubt he will get killed in office. Perhaps my faith is misplaced, but the secret service knows the drill by now.

They couldn't kill Bush with a prestel so I think he'll be okay.

[Raptor Jesus]

Haha. Wow, I forgot about that.

[sLydE]

Slyde, I meant politically perverse, as in wishing to see her run the country into the ground. D:
LOL Oh, sure...

[Falci]

Obama seems to be the type who looks at what's happening and changes his game accordingly, always looking good in the process. Yup, this whole thing will be fun to watch.

That's pretty much the Brasillian president described. Only difference is that Lula is a drunken bastard.

[Aliotroph?]

lol Our province had a drunken bastard premier. He eventually made himself really stupid by getting drunk and yelling at a bunch of homeless guys. Then he swore off alcohol. I dunno why the farm fools kept voting for him. Now they keep voting for his useless successor.

[Sigma]

I am pretty happy with Obama winning. McCain would have been terrible, not to mention his Vice Presidential choice would have been even worse than Dan Quayle. Considering McCain's history of health issues and his age, I would have expected anyone who was romanticizing with the idea of voting for him to consider whether or not they'd want Palin as President-- admittedly, I think anyone who did vote for him, for these reasons alone, did not make a very responsible choice.

When it is all said and done however, I can agree he is the lesser of two evils, but I'd argue he is so by a significant amount.

[Potnop]

How bout that South Park episode last night?

They obviously made that episode in like 1 day. Amazing or what, not to mention that was pretty funny.

[Nomad]

How bout that South Park episode last night?

They obviously made that episode in like 1 day. Amazing or what, not to mention that was pretty funny.

I haven't seen it, but they probably made two episodes, and just released whichever one had the candidate that won (or they are really good at predicting elections). Although it wouldn't surprise me if they had made it in a very short amount of time. The episode a couple years ago right after they found Saddam, a South Park episode about it came out not a week later.

[rustyslacker]

I've been following the debates and speeches a bit, yet I can't really see where you people think Obama's going the wrong way. I want you people to enlighten me. Although it's obvious that he can't achieve all the goals he's set, that he has set those goals shows that he's heading in the right direction.
The dude is a fucking SOCIALIST. DUH.

Srsly though, I am a little uneasy about his future presidency, because the dude will likely be able to talk his way out of anything, and the way he is hailed as a political saviour is unnerving. Maybe I'm jumping at shadows, but I've got a bad feeling about this.

Someone's going to have to explain what Nomad means by "the party system is all an illusion".

[Aliotroph?]

Yeah, preferably Nomad.

Hopefully the Obama novelty will wear off. I've been arguing all day that he's not a world changer, just possibly a good president, and we don't even know that yet. Yeah, way better than McCain but people are scaring me. I even saw an adamant McCain supporter waxing poetic about Obama. WTF?

Hehe, I bet some of those olde segregationist types feel dumb now. :D

[ghost]

I hate it when people are making so many judgements on Obama already, Gee Just fricking wait and see what things he has done, no point in fretting over shit like that. If he is indeed a muslim person, just imagine the possibilites of those idiotic terrorists falling in love with America and all migrating over there..

On a serious note, I am glad Obama is elected, people have finally come to their senses, no offense to the people. Bush was a retard and it was painful seeing John Howard (Australia's ex prime minister) kissing his arse.

That site name VPILF is just pathetic, that's like MILF isn't it, why isn't there the word 'FILF', get some equity going?!?!

[Mystic]

I agree, for 8 years now the american presidency has been a bad joke all over the world but now most of us have some respect for it, lets hope that lasts, joke presidents are bad news.

[Big_al]

I agree, for 8 years now the american presidency has been a bad joke all over the world but now most of us have some respect for it, lets hope that lasts, joke presidents are bad news.Wait for some of his actions in office before allocating any respect.
Campaigning is one thing, actions are another.............

[Mystic]

Well like I said earlier it all reminds me of the euphoria a lot of us felt when Tony Blair became prime minister, it felt like good triumphing over evil and that things really would get better. We were all fooled.

[Big_al]

Aye we ended up with Gordon Brown as well.

[Raptor Jesus]

I felt that Obama ran the better campaign but that doesn't mean he is the better president. His whole campaign made me feel I was watching The Candidate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Candidate) all over again.

[+Acyclitor+]

gun vendors are ironically loving Obama's election. their selling more "assault weapons" and high capacity mags than normal as people are worried Obama and the democratic controlled congress will result in a new AWB.

I myself intend to buy a WASR-10 with folding stock and bayonet and probably a few extra hi-cap mags before January.

[Aliotroph?]

Hehe, good plan. Guns are neat. While I'm happy to have them around, I wish people would be more careful with them though. Too many kids get their faces shot off by guns left around the house.

[Raptor Jesus]

Or by guns left in my hands :D

[+Acyclitor+]

Hehe, good plan. Guns are neat. While I'm happy to have them around, I wish people would be more careful with them though. Too many kids get their faces shot off by guns left around the house.yeah definitively, irresponsible gun owners are as almost as bad as gun criminals.

[Falci]

I think it can be even worse: Irresponsible cops who go nuts and use their guns in a wrong way.

The ex-husband of a teacher of mine had himself and their son shot in the head after they got divorced.
My girlfriend's cousin shot and killed his wife and her lover when he found out she was cheating on him. For that he spent 7 years in jail and missed what he actually cared the most: the opportunity to raise his children. It amazes me that he even got married again after being released.

And both were cops.

[Raptor Jesus]

Only 7 years? Should be at least 15-20.

[Mystic]

I dunno, its all too easy for someone to lose the rag and reach for a weapon when life isnt going according to plan.
What exactly do all those good citizens need assault weapons for anyway?? the only use I can think of is shooting people, isnt that what they are designed for?

[+Acyclitor+]

I dunno, its all too easy for someone to lose the rag and reach for a weapon when life isnt going according to plan.
What exactly do all those good citizens need assault weapons for anyway?? the only use I can think of is shooting people, isnt that what they are designed for?the reason are twofold. A) defend ourselves, our friends and family, and our property in an emergency (say, a hurricane reduces an entire city's population into a mob). and B) assault weapons are the insurance policy of the common folk against our own government becoming too oppressive. after all, the best way to enslave is too disarm.

[rustyslacker]

I dunno, its all too easy for someone to lose the rag and reach for a weapon when life isnt going according to plan.
What exactly do all those good citizens need assault weapons for anyway?? the only use I can think of is shooting people, isnt that what they are designed for?
By the same coin, what use do governments have for disarming us? All I can think of is that they fear for their own safety when they overstep their boundaries.

True, they may say it is all for the protection of the people, but, historically, tighter firearm restriction results in more violent crime. This seems oxymoronic until one considers that now all the muggers, murderers, and rapists now know that everyone else is defenseless.

[Sigma]

Frankly, the entire purchasing a firearm to protect yourself (from an oppressive government) mentality is so stupid at this point in time, it always makes me laugh.

I do believe the second amendment was written with good intentions, but the concept behind it simply has not aged well at all-- to the point where it is now more of a liability then anything. People are a greater threat to themselves owning guns (from accidental gun-related deaths) then they are from people using them specifically for their intended purpose. Furthermore, one shotgun or assault rifle (or a thousand for that matter) is not going to mean shit against a government equipped with satellites, aircraft and tanks. Even if people were able to fortify themselves in a city somehow with a large, renegade militia, the government would just bomb the shit out of it. Our founding fathers simply did not have the scope to understand what kind of instruments we'd have for war 200 years from when they wrote that.

Sure, there are hypothetical situations that occur every once in awhile where a gun may be beneficial to some degree, but 90% of it is simply nothing more then entertaining yourself with the thought.

I also find the notion that firearms are needed for simple protection to be dubious at best. Walking around with a shotgun in your hands is not going to stop someone from walking up behind you and stabbing you in the back five times if he really wants to kill you.

I myself intend to buy a WASR-10 with folding stock and bayonet and probably a few extra hi-cap mags before January.

Why a bayonet? I'd use a shovel.

[Aliotroph?]

We've never been able to understand why you guys have more violent crime than us though. We have lots of gun crime, despite the controls, but you guys just have more violence than us.

[+Acyclitor+]

People are a greater threat to themselves owning guns (from accidental gun-related deaths) then they are from people using them specifically for their intended purpose.no government ever has the right to protect people from themselves. that sort of state-knows-best train of thought is the same that led to prohibition of alcohol and marijuana. is simply owning a gun dangerous? only if you are completely stupid (in which case my opinion is you deserve to blow your own foot off). drinking is also dangerous in the same way. but then so is the act of driving a car - lots of people die in car crashes that involve neither drugs or alcohol, should we make sure people only use bikes and buses to protect them from themselves?

Furthermore, one shotgun or assault rifle (or a thousand for that matter) is not going to mean shit against a government equipped with satellites, aircraft and tanks. Even if people were able to fortify themselves in a city somehow with a large, renegade militia, the government would just bomb the shit out of it. Our founding fathers simply did not have the scope to understand what kind of instruments we'd have for war 200 years from when they wrote that.there are something like 200 million legally owned firearms across America. you think any armed force will want to go door to door to confiscate these things? trained soldiers against armed militia-type warriors always goes in favor of the soldiers, but it can be extremely tough. both the American Revolutionary War and the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are proof of this fact. also, consider the amount of US soldiers who would refuse the orders to confiscate weapons or kill American citizens. to quote a soldier I spoke with once "no soldier worth his salt is going to kill the people he fights to protect."

I'm not saying any such confrontation would be a winnable battle - it would however be an extremely tough fight and likely rip the country to shreds. that in itself ruins the objective an oppressive government's attempt to seize power and control the common folk.

Why a bayonet? I'd use a shovel.shovels can be completely brutal weapons - but bayonets look awesome.

[Mystic]

I take it the government has never overstepped that 'mark' yet or there would have been a revolution already by all those freedom loving souls with their defensive assault weapons. Fact is the opposition to gun control is not exactly a united front, it has everyone from neo-nazis, and criminal gangs to christian fundamentalists and those strange anarchic survivalist types. I wouldnt want to associate myself with any of that lot.

In a civil war the government wont use texas soldiers against texas, they will send the troops from texas to police new york and send troops from some other state to police texas, thats how all governments plan for these situations. The soldiers wont be told the truth why they are doing it, they would be fed some convenient propaganda. To really stir things up a few atrocities would appear to be committed by the rebels to help get the public on side.

Mostly it would be the air force bombing the hell out of the rebels power bases and dont think that the government doesnt already have spies in place in case of such happenings

[+Acyclitor+]

thats all as may be, but I stand by my assertion that in such a situation the important objective would not be winning the battle - but merely fighting it. symbolic actions outlive the distortions of short-term history and inspire future generations to a cause.

regardless of hypothetical freedom-fighter scenarios, I still believe the 2nd amendment is an important right. I would like very much to see Obama and the Dems in congress serve out their terms without resurrecting the AWB - there are much bigger fish to fry after all. time will tell, I guess.

[Aliotroph?]

The government certainly has no right to protect you from yourself but it has every right to protect the people around you from your shitty gun habits. :p

Gun training should be given at school. Teach all the fools who are scared of them how they work.

I do also like how your second amendment tends to apply to blind people too. :D