ACORN voter fraud

[Mr. Chris]

http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm

Are these truely the types of people you Americans want to "help" put in a Democrat POTUS in office? 1930s Mafia-style politics? *cacmad*

[Giftmacher]

I don't want to put anybody in office, I think all politicians deserve to die.

[FATAL]

No one deserves to die!

[jetflock]

poor people trying to make numbers for a shitty job. thats what that is. is it worse than rigged machines for Bush? Its bad but not entirely intentional.
Regardless, here in America, the people don't REALLY choose the leader.
And the concept of Democrat and Republican doesn't really exist.

[Nomad]

It's all just one big Broadway act. The electoral college already knows who is going to win.

[Giftmacher]

Just another reason I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

[Aliotroph?]

You guys have a primitive election system indeed. Our registration is automagically done by the government with cards mailed to us a month ahead of time. You can't fake it here. We also use paper ballots. You'd have to mess with the boxes.

[Mystic]

poor people trying to make numbers for a shitty job. thats what that is. is it worse than rigged machines for Bush? Its bad but not entirely intentional.
Regardless, here in America, the people don't REALLY choose the leader.
And the concept of Democrat and Republican doesn't really exist.

quoted for truth

I don't want to put anybody in office, I think all politicians deserve to die.

I sympathise completely but that would make us as bad as any of them. I dont think anyone who actually wants power should ever be allowed to have it.

There are other more powerful organisations deciding these things, the guys we see contesting those elections are merely fall guys who get to take the credit but mostly the blame for deeds that are really out of their hands most of the time. We are all conned into thinking our vote is important so we dont try to change things by direct action like the french did to their aristocracy. I wont use the russians as an example, the more I learn about their revolution the more I suspect it was an elaborate sham to convince the rest of us that revolutions dont work.

wait, shouldnt this be in the politics forum? just a thought.

[Aliotroph?]

It is in the politics forum. :p

The scale of the conspiracies you always propose is laughably implausible. It is simply not possible to have huge, million-men conspiracies that are kept from everybody. No, the shit of society is the fault primarily of the greed and mediocrity of men (this now includes women even more than it used to) of the desire people have to take away the freedom of others based on either the same greed or stupid fear.

There are weird conspiracies and organizations of men working for their own benefit, but they're not global (as the terrorists they rant about are not) and they fight amongst themselves and with other groups. There must have been a fun little one with Bush's friends because that guy isn't smart enough to be president of anything as big as the states.

As for the Russian revolution, I chalk that one up to Russians doing that thug thing they do so well. They seem to have a rather scary society in that sense. No matter what kind of government they have, they seem to get a bunch of thugs who like to murder people for the sake of their own power. I don't get that.

And with politicians I try and support the ones who prefer to give freedoms to individuals rather than take them away. Bonus if they try and keep groups in check. Any organization seems to tend towards evil if it gets large enough. I can't find an exception to this.

[Mystic]

ive never even heard of huge million men conspiracies. I was hinting at groups such as the freemasons, bilderburg group and the 'bohemian grove' all of which really do exist.

I used to be involved with politics a long time ago, on the extreme left. The deeper I got involved the more I realised that the people around me were just as self-seeking and power mad as any fascist/capitalist/'insert your own fav megalomaniac type here' I also had the distinct impression that every third or fourth person I met in the RCG (revolutionary communist group) was either an informant or an agent of the 'special branch', a section of the police force specialised in anti-terrorism.

Ive done loads of research on such matters and it seems that whenever a supposedly left wing organisation is allowed to take power, such as the National Socialist Workers Party of germany, the leaders can be linked to various intelligence agencies, case in point Adolf Hitler and Rudolph Hess were both German military intelligence during the first world war, later joined the aforementioned socialist party and took it over then with the help of funding from the Reichsbank, the UK, France and the USA managed to take over an entire country and start a huge war. Those are facts, go investigate.

A very good book to read would be 'The New Europeans' by Anthony Sampson. Very hard to find but a mine of useful facts about some very dodgy people and multinational companies. On Amazon.co.uk typing 'The New Europeans' into the book search yielded strange results, the only book with that as the title comes 170th on the list, room for a conspiracy theory there maybe?

[Aliotroph?]

This left-wing/right-wing crap has to die. It doesn't even make any sense with 98% of 20th-century politics. HItler and friends get labelled right-wing anyway. They were an evil bunch of dictators, so it makes sense they had connections to all kinds of army and intelligence things. Most political leaders would like to be dictators. The ones in the west are just clever enough to realize life is easier if you don't try it.

Hehe, the crappy election system fails again as incompetent idiots are allowed to build and sell voting machines: http://wvgazette.com/News/200810180251?page=1&build=cache If it's this hard to use it should be illegal.

EDIT: The cool part is bazillions of people seem to be interested as millions voted already: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/early.voting.map/index.html Not the best map in the world methinks.

[Boingo the Clown]

I am certain once the Republicans have successfully fixed this election, just as they did for the last two, they will just do away with the two party system altogether, and settle down into the radical right wing fundamentalist theocracy they've always wanted.

[Nomad]

The last election wasn't fixed. John Kerry was a douche bag. There definitely was something fishy about the 2000 elections, though. I'm honestly still pissed off that Bush was "elected" when the popular vote clearly went to Bush. Even if Gore is a fucktard, he still won that fucking election.

[Aliotroph?]

I think you need to check one of your statements there. Looks like you need to replace a "Bush" with a "Gore" to make any sense. :p

Obama appears to be doing quite a bit better than Kerry was. We'll see how this goes I guess.

[jetflock]

Yeah, down the toilet. MMMMMMMMM.......doomer political storm!!!!!

[Nomad]

I think you need to check one of your statements there. Looks like you need to replace a "Bush" with a "Gore" to make any sense. :p

Obama appears to be doing quite a bit better than Kerry was. We'll see how this goes I guess.

Yeah, it was almost midnight. STFU N00M

[lucius octavion]

I don't want to put anybody in office, I think all politicians deserve to die.

*caclaf*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7iUADlWIhQ

[Aliotroph?]

That was weird.

This amused me. The guy thinks he got the machine working and choosing McCain manages to choose Nader! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q9NSVUu8nk

[Aliotroph?]

The edit limit is passed. Here's a scary article about American voting in the days when the Capitol was built from sticks: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/13/081013fa_fact_lepore