War on scientology

[KuriKai]

http://anonym.to/http://www.whyaretheydead.net/
This is one of the reasons, Anonymous is fighting Scientology.

here is how you can join in and help http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Joining

[FATAL]

Nice to see *chans being used for some good stuff, too.

[XaviarCraig]

"Good" has no meaning nowadays! While I am no real fan of any religious followings, Islam and Scientology scare me the most.

If *chan's anon takes this seriously... I think we are all in for epic lulz!

[Giftmacher]

Islam and Scientology scare me the most.Islam is crazy, they'll parade around demanding your execution if you even look at them the wrong way.

[sLydE]

Islam is crazy, they'll parade around demanding your execution if you even look at them the wrong way.
Once again, all of this needs to be taken into context. CERTAIN Islamic sects may be like this, but not ALL Muslims will do this.

Religion isn't intrinsically bad, it's the individual people who follow it and do evil things in the name of said religion.

[Aliotroph?]

Tempted to start an argument about why I think religion is always intrinsically evil regardless of who practices it but I'm far, far too lazy today.

[XaviarCraig]

I could be wrong, but I coulda sworn that in the koran it tells Islam followers to kill all infidels. An infidel is an "non-believer" Therefore their religion tells them kill anyone who doesn't agree with their beliefs.

I could be thinking of some other cult, but I am pretty sure it was Islam.

[Raptor Jesus]

The koran does not tell them that. It says to convert other "is not by the tongue, then by the sword" (or something to that effect). Many muslims follow this seriously as you can see.

[+Acyclitor+]

Tempted to start an argument about why I think religion is always intrinsically evil regardless of who practices it but I'm far, far too lazy today.your argument could fail simply because there is also examples of evil from atheist and agnostic roots. that is, if either of us weren't too lazy to make these arguments ;). I'll just put a damn general cap on it: people are corruptible, greedy, and can do evil things for any reason.

on topic, imagine how lulzy it would be if Anon succeeding in their quest and vanquished the Scientologists. imagine school children reading in their text books in 50 years about how the "hackers on steroids" changed history.

[Aliotroph?]

I said nothing about people doing evil. That is completely independent of any belief system. I said religion itself is evil. It's usually a tolerable evil though. And I don't have any argument intended to convert believers. I don't believe that's possible without some serious brainwashing, which is probably evil.

Would be pretty funny if they managed to badly hurt Scientology. Then Fox could show that vid of a van exploding again. :D

[KuriKai]

Right now, Anon has found out that Prolexic Is protecting the scientology websites from ddos attacks. So Anon is now warning Prolexic to stop protecting them, or face the wrath of anonymous.

more info here http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology#DDoS_Protection:_Prolexic

[Giftmacher]

I don't believe that's possible without some serious brainwashing, which is probably evil.Ugh, I overheard a mom reading her kid a bible book the other day at school. The moral of the story was "do exactly as you're told or god won't love you".
*chuck*
Get'em while they're young, eh?

[PumpkinSmasher]

I do believe in a God of some sort. I think the universe is far too complex to have happened just by chance. I do not know which religion is the correct one, or if any of them are even right about it all. I think many religions such as christianity and judaism are founded on some basically good morals. But Scientology on the other hand is nothing but a cult. Documents exist showing that L Ron Hubbard started the religion simply to profit off of it. The practices of the religion are harmful not only to its members but anyone who encounters a scientologist. It is a cult and unlike many other religions isn't founded on any basically "good" morals. As for Islam, I know some people who practice it, and it really depends on the sect of the religion. As with every religion there are some radicals who take things out of context. I do not claim to know enough about any of these religions to truly judge them as a whole. But I have never found a sane Scientologist.


This ends my Rant/Rave of the day.

[Giftmacher]

I think many religions such as christianity and judaism are founded on some basically good morals.Some of them are good morals, but everybody always seems to forget the sexist, anti-gay stuff that a lot of religions still support.

[sLydE]

/me wonders why this hasn't been moved to the "Politics" section...

[KuriKai]

Get this topic off of religions and back on discussions of scientology

[sLydE]

Get this topic off of religions and back on discussions of scientology
heh, funny you put it that way...

[Aliotroph?]

In the states Scientology is a religion, so it's somewhat relevant. In Europe Scientology is just bad sci-fi with an evil fan base. :D

I highly recommend the South Park episode about Scientology. It's hilarious.

[KuriKai]

USA != the world

[sLydE]

USA != the world
so, so true. I think a lot of Americans don't think along those lines, and a lot of trouble arises from that mindset.

That said, I am an American, but I tend to try not to think like that, just because I like to avoid any kind of unnecessary confrontation along those lines.

Back on topic:
A Massive archive of secret Scientology documents (http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Massive_archive_of_secret_scientology_DOX) was just made available for free online.

One of the things that gets me most about Scientology is the fact that in order to move up in ranks in the organization, you have to pay to reach the next level:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080116070532AAC706I

[Aliotroph?]

USA != the world

What component of my post inspired that? I was merely pointing out that the Americans consider Scientology to be a religion (by law). This is different elsewhere. I'm not sure of its status in Canada. I bet it's the same as in America.

[KuriKai]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uVaQG67eqwA it's starting to get on the news

[Giftmacher]

After looking at the site, I'd just like to ask where are all the sites listing all the people major religions killed? Off the top of my head I can think of the thousands that were killed because their king hated their religion, the crusades, "witch" burnings, and the holy wars. Who's remembering THESE people? Who's going and bashing the religion responsible for those deaths, eh? Scientology may still be crazy (so I've heard, I don't know anything about it), but it's always easier to pick on a cult than a big religion a percentage of the population belongs to, even if they're both equally evil.

Also, lol at the news report. Those guys don't know what they're talking about.

[rustyslacker]

BEWARE OF THE INTERNET

Lulziest line in the news report.

[Aliotroph?]

What? No vans exploding? I want my internet time back! ;)

[Nomad]

I highly recommend the South Park episode about Scientology. It's hilarious.

Hilarious, yet frighteningly accurate.

[FATAL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y&NR=1

Pretty good video.

[FreeLanZer]

Holy fuck they are sick in their skulls.. @_@

[Giftmacher]

Oh my god... oh my god... this is a cult, this is no religion. This is the warped kind of stuff that you could make a horror movie out of.
*chuck*
If it were at all possible, my opinion of religion just got worse. Blech!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgMSWjS9K5s
This is good to know, but it makes me sick at the same time.

EDIT: God, this scares me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

They also said in a news thing that the Scientologists were building a big vault into a mountainside somewhere, with a lot of food supplies and animals. They won't let anybody go in there. That really makes me uncomfortable, although I'm just a paranoid American, and you know how Americans are about "weapons of mass destruction" and how we think they're eveywhere.

[+Acyclitor+]

dude you cannot be blamed for being suspicious of Scientology's actions. its rational to look at such secretive and bizarre activities, in conjunction with the fucked up stuff we know about, and realize that they could be up to some freaky shit. its the same sort of suspicious shit the free masons do.

[KuriKai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xn7cNdtqwU
Video of scientologist hitting xenutv activist with a hammer!

[Raptor Jesus]

Scientology is possibly the most moronic cult/religion I've ever heard of. I really don't see how a new religion can really come about and be the "right" religion. Doesn't really make much sense. If it was the true religion, it probly would have been around since the beginning of time itself.

Bah, religions sucks.

[Vermil]

/me wonders why this hasn't been moved to the "Politics" section...

Me wonders why this thread hasn't been locked. Personally I feel Kuri is despicable for trying to stir up religious hatred.

[sLydE]

Is Vermil a Scientologist? :P

Anyway, I thought it was first a thread about the news of the war between Anonymous and Scientology, then it turned into more of a debate. This sort of thing hasn't truly gotten out of hand yet, but I could see it turning that corner in the not so distant future.

[FreeLanZer]

Me wonders why this thread hasn't been locked. Personally I feel Kuri is despicable for trying to stir up religious hatred.
Either are you a Scientologist or you haven't visited ANY news sites within the last two weeks.

[Giftmacher]

dude you cannot be blamed for being suspicious of Scientology's actions. its rational to look at such secretive and bizarre activities, in conjunction with the fucked up stuff we know about, and realize that they could be up to some freaky shit. its the same sort of suspicious shit the free masons do.Well I saw it and I kept thinking in the back of my mind that they were going to nuke some place and then hide in there, although they would only really need to hide if they were nuking something nearby. I wasn't disturbed by their packing a massive amount of food in there as much as the fact that they were taking animals, which would imply a long-term stay under circumstances where there would be no way to get fresh food from the outside.
They sent a ranger guy in there to dispel rumors that they were "training a militia" (and I wouldn't be surprised, either, they've already got an SS-esque branch for dealing with deserters and non believers). He didn't say what was in there, but he said it wasn't what people thought. The only thing keeping me from being comfortable with that is how the feth do we know he isn't working for them? A little green can make people say a lot of stuff.

[KuriKai]

Me wonders why this thread hasn't been locked. Personally I feel Kuri is despicable for trying to stir up religious hatred.

Read up about scientology man

[Giftmacher]

Yeah, I never thought I'd see something worse than christianity, but there is, and it's name is scientology.

[+Acyclitor+]

now your getting carried away

[Aliotroph?]

Scientology is possibly the most moronic cult/religion I've ever heard of. I really don't see how a new religion can really come about and be the "right" religion. Doesn't really make much sense. If it was the true religion, it probly would have been around since the beginning of time itself.

Nope. No way to say that. No matter since they're all false anyway though.

[KuriKai]

Nope. No way to say that. No matter since they're all false anyway though.

If you don't have proof shut up

[KuriKai]

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8531/worldraidye5.jpg

[Aliotroph?]

I refuse to shut up. If you can go around proclaiming your faith in God I can go around proclaiming my faith in the fact that all religions are completely false. I feel the need to present that opinion in religious discussions.

LOL I should go hang out by the local branch of the Church of Scientology on the 10th and see if there are any people wearing Guy Fawkes masks. Will probably have to laugh at them as much as at the church itself.

This really is a pointless thread. I don't feel like debating religion and I don't feel like fighting the rather insignificant scam that is Scientology. I'd rather do something else. Well, I guess I do feel like defending the rights of people to argue religion all they want. Relgious arguments are funny.

[KuriKai]

I refuse to shut up. If you can go around proclaiming your faith in God I can go around proclaiming my faith in the fact that all religions are completely false. I feel the need to present that opinion in religious discussions.

LOL I should go hang out by the local branch of the Church of Scientology on the 10th and see if there are any people wearing Guy Fawkes masks. Will probably have to laugh at them as much as at the church itself.

This really is a pointless thread. I don't feel like debating religion and I don't feel like fighting the rather insignificant scam that is Scientology. I'd rather do something else. Well, I guess I do feel like defending the rights of people to argue religion all they want. Relgious arguments are funny.

I never said anything in what I believe

BUT
I highly suggest you read up about the cult of Scientology.

[g6672D]

http://www.clambake.org/

Interesting reading.

[Aliotroph?]

I've done tons of reading about Scientology. I don't see what your problem with my statements regarding it is. I know for a fact (as in have gone and physically looked) that some countries list books like Dianetics as science fiction, but this is not the case in teh United States where Scientology is a government-recognized religion. Their whole belief system is just a bunch of junk cobbled together in the 50s and 60s by L. Ron to make cash for him and his buddies. He was a better fraud than a sci-fi writer (though that doesn't make Battlefield Earth any less fun to read).

[Raptor Jesus]

If you don't have proof shut up

Same thing could be said about you. You don't have solid, undisputable truth. No one does. It's their choice what they want to believe. Now, stfu.

[FATAL]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_data_so_far.png
"But THIS guy, he might be for real!"

[FreeLanZer]

I've done tons of reading about Scientology. I don't see what your problem with my statements regarding it is. I know for a fact (as in have gone and physically looked) that some countries list books like Dianetics as science fiction, but this is not the case in teh United States where Scientology is a government-recognized religion. Their whole belief system is just a bunch of junk cobbled together in the 50s and 60s by L. Ron to make cash for him and his buddies. He was a better fraud than a sci-fi writer (though that doesn't make Battlefield Earth any less fun to read).
You are fully aware then that Scientology has killed multiple persons and is up to any good hence should be erased right?
Btw Raptor Jesus, please don't be so immature.

[KuriKai]

Same thing could be said about you. You don't have solid, undisputable truth. No one does. It's their choice what they want to believe. Now, stfu.

The guy was a science fiction writer!
He even stated if you want to become rich, start a religion

[Aliotroph?]

Sheesh. Did I ever say anything in here defending Scientology? Did anybody? Do Scientologists even use the internet?

[sLydE]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_data_so_far.png
"But THIS guy, he might be for real!"
I <3 xkcd.

[rustyslacker]

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8531/worldraidye5.jpg
I'm going to try to round up the local chanfags to go hang out at our local Church of Scientology. Where do you get Guy Fawkes masks?

[Raptor Jesus]

Google. I don't even know if there is a Scientology church around here :(

[Aliotroph?]

I know we have one here. It's in a crappy-looking little office building. The S in their sign is so stylized if you see the sign of the corner of your eye you think the S is a logo and the rest says Church of Clientology or something random. :D

[Giftmacher]

Personally I feel Kuri is despicable for trying to stir up religious hatred.
The problem is that this is exactly the sort of over-tolerance that allows dangerous cults like scientology to survive.

[Aliotroph?]

I think it's funny that political hatred, scientific hatred, and team hatred are fine but if you go after somebody's religious belief you get bashed. How is that supposed to work? If I have to respect somebody's beliefs does that mean I have to respect Nazis; al Qaeda; slave owners; and people, who for some obscure reason, have only read scientific texts up to 1900? Shouldn't such a level of tolerance that forces us to respect all religions essentially ban politics?

[+Acyclitor+]

science mirrors religion:

case A) a physicist assumes the existence of a hypothetical dimension of which no physical evidence exists in order to get his equation to work

case B) an occultist assumes the existence of a hypothetical spirit of which no physical evidence exists in order to get his rite to work

[Aliotroph?]

And then the scientist, or one of his buddies, finds something that makes the equation not work and the dimension goes out the windows -- unless there was some other evidence of its existence that forces a change in the math instead.

Cults and religions do a similar thing sometimes but even then they have to use tricky wording to make it sound like they weren't making it all up. Scientists can just come out and admit they were completely wrong.

[Giftmacher]

And then the scientist, or one of his buddies, finds something that makes the equation not work and the dimension goes out the windows -- unless there was some other evidence of its existence that forces a change in the math instead.

Cults and religions do a similar thing sometimes but even then they have to use tricky wording to make it sound like they weren't making it all up. Scientists can just come out and admit they were completely wrong.Makes me wonder what the pope and all his buddies will say when judgement day comes and I'm still sitting there playing Unreal Tournament 3 instead of burning in hell. I think I'll feel like the Grinch, waiting for the people that tick you off to wake up and find their most anticipated "event" ever is not happening.

[g6672D]

Google. I don't even know if there is a Scientology church around here :(

If it's not the case, that's probably a good thing. ;)

[DooMAD]

Btw Raptor Jesus, please don't be so immature.
Aside from the "stfu" part, I really don't see what was wrong with his post. He's simply stating that from his perspective, your proof is about as valid as the scientologists "proof" of their beliefs. That's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

In fact, it's a view I'm inclined to share. This whole scientology nonsense just proves how easy it is for people to be taken in by myths and fairytales and go to extreme lengths to defend them.


science mirrors religion:

case A) a physicist assumes the existence of a hypothetical dimension of which no physical evidence exists in order to get his equation to work

case B) an occultist assumes the existence of a hypothetical spirit of which no physical evidence exists in order to get his rite to work
Not exactly.

Case A is what's known as a theory, which isn't treated as fact until it can be proven.

Case B would be taken as fact by some individuals, regardless of what the truth might actually be.

[+Acyclitor+]

Case B would be taken as fact by some individuals, regardless of what the truth might actually be.ok, thats true. but all smart individuals understand that science represents the literal interpretation of reality and religion/spirituality represents the abstract interpretation of reality. people who take their religion literally (most people, I suppose) are morons, in my opinion.

[rustyslacker]

ok, thats true. but all smart individuals understand that science represents the literal interpretation of reality and religion/spirituality represents the abstract interpretation of reality. people who take their religion literally (most people, I suppose) are morons, in my opinion.
Truth!

Case A is what's known as a theory, which isn't treated as fact until it can be proven.

Case B would be taken as fact by some individuals, regardless of what the truth might actually be.
Case A is actually a hypothesis. Theories are long-standing hypotheses with no discovered contradictory evidence (theory of gravity, theory of evolution).

[Giftmacher]

Truth!
Seconded!!

[FreeLanZer]

Seconded!!
Tripled! (if you can say that :) )
BTW Tom Cruise KNOWS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ReAJ6bxEho

[Giftmacher]

I wonder if he's hoping to get into the higher levels of the church so he can get a nice little share of the cash.

[shtbag667]

Thats strange, the partyvan website seems to be down now. A counter attack of some kind?

[FATAL]

http://partyvan.info/index.php/Main_Page

works for me.

[ace]

You know, as much as I would agree that the "church" of Scientology is an evil organization, and that they are probably the most evil and dangerous of religions at the moment (by a small margin), I'm afraid to say that nothing they've done is really anything new to any organized religion at all.

Think about it. It's a religion that has been accused of embezzlement, fraudulence, torture, murder (be it direct or through negligence), and conspiracy. If there is one person who doesn't find this fact familiar, then I'd say someone has been neglecting their knowledge of world history.

I'm not saying they're not bad in particular--as far that's concerned, they're definitely the worst in recent times (again, marginally). I'm just saying that the only reason they're truly the worst right now is because the others have already cleaned up their acts.

[Giftmacher]

It's true, it's sad but it's true.

[KuriKai]

The protests are happening tomorrow people

[Aliotroph?]

Yeah, I got a job. No time for that silly stuff.

[Giftmacher]

Silly? But these clowns are responsible for the greatest goverment infiltration in US history! I shouldn't bug you about it too much though, I'm not doing it either. :p

[+Acyclitor+]

wear masks, they catalog "SP"s in their creepy database. protect your identity, remain Anon.

[Giftmacher]

Yeah, they'll try to sue you and ruin your life if you tick them off. It wouldn't be the first time.

[KuriKai]

you can see vids from the protests at this site (It updates as new protests happen)http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/IRL_Raid_Accomplishments

[FATAL]

Awesome! Loads of people showed up it seems!

[+Acyclitor+]

CoS fed fake news to media outlets claiming the protests were violent. the images used as evidence were quickly discovered to be from older protests against Halliburton.

[YouGotTheChainsaw]

all of the real life raids took place today. nice to see a big turnout but its a shame that alot of them were ruined by people acting like idiots.

how does anonymous expect to be taken seriously in this context with people turning up and singing bel air?

talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[+Acyclitor+]

those were the bards lifting the spirits of legion through the flames of battle.

[YouGotTheChainsaw]

those were the bards lifting the spirits of legion through the flames of battle.

naaaaaah, they were the morons sucking the seriousness and validity from the anonymous cause like so many blood sucking leeches.

keep the faggotry on the boards and off the streets.

[Aliotroph?]

Ah yes! We English must do things the proper way of course! Nevermind that the proper way is stuffy, boring, and catastrophically inefficient most of the time! :D

[rustyslacker]

Looks like Anon is taking to the streets again, in March (http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewforum.php?f=21)..

Expect us.

[Boingo the Clown]

I don't know the direction this thread has taken, but ...

http://whatstheharm.net/scientology.html

[YouGotTheChainsaw]

I don't know the direction this thread has taken, but ...

http://whatstheharm.net/scientology.html

holy crap

that was depressing

[Giftmacher]

Not just depressing, scary. America's religious tolerance is too intense, it lets dangerous cults like this one survive and get away with a lot of nasty stuff.

[Aliotroph?]

You'd think some of those people could have been smarter in the first place.

[+Acyclitor+]

America's religious tolerance is too intensenot really, the problem of Scientology is that it has done a brilliant job of keeping information about itself suppressed from the general public. if more people were better informed, and not so apathetic, than Scientology would never have amassed the wealth it now uses to force the govornment to protect its extreme and fascist doctrines ands fraudulence.

[KuriKai]

http://www.nzchan.org/b/src/120297112887.jpg

[Giftmacher]

not really, the problem of Scientology is that it has done a brilliant job of keeping information about itself suppressed from the general public. if more people were better informed, and not so apathetic, than Scientology would never have amassed the wealth it now uses to force the govornment to protect its extreme and fascist doctrines ands fraudulence.
It's just with all the paranoid people in America that now think the unknown is always connected with terrorists, you'd think the goverment would be more suspicious of the cult that executed the biggest US goverment infiltration in history. Not to mention that huge vault that they're trying to keep a secret. With all the privacy invading laws that Bush has passed while in office, you'd think he could put them to good use and check out what those freaks are doing in that vault.

[YouGotTheChainsaw]

It's just with all the paranoid people in America that now think the unknown is always connected with terrorists, you'd think the goverment would be more suspicious of the cult that executed the biggest US goverment infiltration in history. Not to mention that huge vault that they're trying to keep a secret. With all the privacy invading laws that Bush has passed while in office, you'd think he could put them to good use and check out what those freaks are doing in that vault.

people dont like separatists. they dont like secretive organisations or anything that hides its intentions.

i mean look at the opus dei and the freemasons for starters.

history has some good examples, like the followers of that luther guy in the german reformation.

people dont like secret clubs.

[rustyslacker]

"That Luther guy" has several hundred million followers now.

[Giftmacher]

people dont like separatists. they dont like secretive organisations or anything that hides its intentions.

i mean look at the opus dei and the freemasons for starters.

history has some good examples, like the followers of that luther guy in the german reformation.

people dont like secret clubs.
Exactly, so why hasn't that big vault been checked out yet? (By anyone reliable anyway, that guy they sent in probably worked for the scientologists)

[+Acyclitor+]

quite simply because Scientology has what nobody else does, money enough to hire an army of lawyers.

[FATAL]

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6462102BA2D485B8

[Giftmacher]

Hmm... the song at the beginning seemed appropriate enough, but it just went downhill from there.

[FATAL]

I watched the whole thing through.

It was hilarious (not to mention completely irrelevant to the movie) when the satanist invoked the storm. The last portion of the film was actually alright. It's not one of the worst movies I've seen and it's already got some history, and that's a reason enough to watch it, I think.

[+Acyclitor+]

somewhat interesting, but I'm not going to bother watching it all. those interested should do so before they get taken down, as I'm sure they will be.

anyway, on the topic of Scientology and the Occult, I've found some interesting books on the matter. L. Ron's father was a man close to Crowley, and ended up as a trusted member of his Order after Crowley dismissed another man (name escapes me) from the position. This other man had been a NASA scientist working on the Saturn rockets, and was known to invoke Pan's blessing before rocket tests (strange to find out that many NASA scientists actually did this - maybe still do?). anyway, L. Ron grew up around the Occult, the human psychology being a huge part of what he would have learned among such men. But, as we all know, L. Ron Hubbard was a greedy man and looked for ways to exploit his knowledge. He was a writer, he knew how to write Sci-Fi, and so started Scientology. At first it seems he was trying to impress others, mainly Crowley, with his ability to manipulate people into believe such a warped theology based on nothing but his own word - but it wasn't long before he discovered it was profitable. the rest is history.

[FATAL]

somewhat interesting, but I'm not going to bother watching it all. those interested should do so before they get taken down, as I'm sure they will be.
Oh yeah, there are even NAKED FEMALE BREASTS in the movie! *gasp*




There, I knew I'd get at least some Newdoomers to watch it. :p