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FATAL
November 7th, 2007, 08:01 AM
Today, some Hitler AND Stalin loving dude came to the conclusion that in order to help humanity, he needs to kill some people. So he pulled a columbine. 7 is the official number of casualties at the moment. He didn't quite meet the bodycount of the best fellows at his trade.

Here's his last online post:

Sturmgeist89
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aka NaturalSelector89 (3/15/2007 - 10/19/2007).

YouTube suspended my previous account but I am back now :) My new account name is German and means "Stormspirit" in English.

http://rapidshare.com/files/68 015773/Pekka-Eric_Auvinen___Jo kela_High_School_Massacre.zip
Name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen
Age: 18
Male from Finland.

I am a cynical existentialist, antihuman humanist, antisocial socialdarwinist, realistic idealist and godlike atheist.

SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM! JUSTITIA SUUM CUIQUE DISTRIBUIT! SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.

You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand... You will proprably say me that I am"insane", "crazy", "psychopath", "criminal" or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.

I have had enough. I don't want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing. But... When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name... When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets... When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice... When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority... In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.

Long live the revolution... revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can't alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.

I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true... even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil... I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.

And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don't blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don't blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don't blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!

Justice renders to everyone his due.
Country: Finland
Occupation: Unemployed Philosopher, Outcast
Companies: Human Race (evolved one step above though)
Interests and Hobbies: Existentialism, Freedom, Truth, Misantrophy, Social / Personality Psychology, Evolution Science, Political Incorrectness, Women, BDSM, Guns (I love you Catherine), Shooting, Computer Games, Sarcasm, Irony, Mass / Serial Killers, Macabre Art, Black Comedy, Absurdism
Movies and Shows: The Matrix, A View To A Kill, Falling Down, Natural Born Killers, Reservoir Dogs, Last Man Standing, Full Metal Jacket, Dr. Butcher MD (aka Zombie Holocaust), Saw 1-3, Lord Of War, The Deer Hunter, True Romance, The Untouchables, 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, Idiocracy, They Live, Apocalypse Now, End Of Days, The Shining, The Dead Zone, Dr. Strangelove, House MD (TV), Monty Python, TV Documentaries Relating To History
Music: KMFDM, Rammstein, Eisbrecher, Nine Inch Nails, Grendel, Impaled Nazarene, Macabre, Deathstars, The Prodigy, Combichrist, Godsmack, Slayer, Children Of Bodom, Alice Cooper, Sturmgeist, Suicide Commando, Hatebreed, Suffocation, Terrorizer
Books: Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury), 1984 (Orwell), Brave New World (Huxley), The Republic (Plato), all works of Nietzsche

So, it appears that even though guns are rather limited here, it doesn't stop an individual from expressing himself. It is quite clear that these occurrences are almost completely related to chance. However, there are certain factors that contribute to this chance

Currently in Finland there isn't enough mental aid (psychiatrists and such) for people. The leaders know it and the people know it. Even though it is very rare that someone at the age of 18 has access to guns, the odds of those people using these guns would be significantly lower if there were less people without access to a psychiatrist. I do not know if this would've helped in this particular case, as he may not have been trying to get such help, but we shall look at the big picture now.

So, in short, my opinion is that to keep people from going rampage, it needs to be made sure that unstable people do not have easy access to guns (accomplished here) and that there is help for those in need (not quite so well accomplished). After that there is merely luck, whether someone happens to live a wrong kind of life in a wrong kind of environment.

Speak up people.

Nomad
November 7th, 2007, 08:16 AM
It happens.

But I totally agree that these people need help, and bad. I don't really know the social economic setting there in Finland, but you guys have state paid healthcare, don't you? I hope that a mental healthcare plan can be augmented into that.

I really wish my country would do the same. Healthcare is too fucking expensive, and the people that really need it are usually the ones that couldn't afford it if their lives depended on it (and more often than not, they can't). And a lot of people fail to realize that mental health is just as important, if not more important than physical health, which just compounds the problem.

If it is not glaringly obvious by now, Guns don't kill people. Idiots with self centered, nihilistic ideological worldviews do. They think that killing a few people won't matter, but the truth is that the repercussions reverberate throughout the whole society, and especially in this day and age of the World Wide Web, it reaches even further than before.

blood imp
November 7th, 2007, 09:11 AM
What a freak. These people are the worst kind. All about "natural selection" and the such. Unfortunately for them, it was "naturally selected" that they won't get far. At least he only blamed himself. But it is still sick.

I'm not into healthcare policies and the like, but the psychology of some needs serious help. I only hope they don't let him go (or is he not caught?).

And Nomad's right here. Nowadays with the super-fast communication that is the WWW, the death of even seven people by one asshole can cause a riple through most of humanity.

Giftmacher
November 7th, 2007, 10:46 AM
That self-righteous scumbag. He soils his awesome username and doesn't deserve to use it. He disgraces Slayer and Children of Bodom by merely listening to them. Evolved above one everyone step? So because he thinks he's more advanced than us he can go and kill people and say "wait, it's ok, they deserved it"!? He does have a point that goverments suck and need to be replaced (at least the one in the US does), but his hope that shooting people will get "strong minded individuals" to go on a rampage is so deluded and naive that it's disgusting.

Makes me absolutley sick.

FATAL
November 7th, 2007, 11:10 AM
I only hope they don't let him go (or is he not caught?).
He spared one bullet for himself it seems. Tough luck that he hasn't (yet) died from the shot to the head. HA HA lern 2 shot.

Anyways, the gun system apparently failed. He managed to legitimately get a gun license. Either he cheated through the test or the civil servant was, as they usually are, incompetent. I do believe that with stricter control, this could've been avoided.

As for the healthcare system in here, yes, everyone is entitled to it. The bad thing is that queues to such services are humongous, and sometimes it can take over a year to get any help, if the person responsible doesn't find the situation to be critical.

Danimetal
November 7th, 2007, 12:19 PM
18, right?. Yeah, of course, when you're 18 you perfectly know what is it like to be an "existentialist, antihuman humanist, antisocial socialdarwinist, realistic idealist and godlike atheist"... Serious, has anybody of that age lived and experience enough as to forge such a collection of views on life?. I would like to know where did he exactly read all that crap and how did he think that it would make him a better and more interesting person. In my honest opinion and according to the information given the guy is clearly out of his mind.

Curious though, Fatal, I thought you had a pretty much coherent and effective social security and education systems. Is it the situation there as here, where there are a lot of mentally ill people left to the care of their relatives?. Long queues are also present here but I'd say that it is the gun thing what fails... In a country with the size of Finland, with its social structure, incoming standards, and overall quality of life, what is the use for a gun?.

Edit: There are a lot more things that I'd like to say about the subject but I am afraid I don't have the time right now... One thing though would be a comment on Fatal's line
So, in short, my opinion is that to keep people from going rampage, it needs to be made sure that unstable people do not have easy access to guns (accomplished here) and that there is help for those in need (not quite so well accomplished).
I'd like to expand on the "help for those in need" line specially. How do you know when someone is in need of help?. I'd say that a cry for help is not always easily identified and the inane rants of the shooter could be related, for example, to a situation of social exclusion in his environment (Why do they always choose schools?. Is it common that the shooters are unpopular, percieved as "strange" or "shy" people?) in wich he pulls the pressure out by setting himself above the standards of the rest in "I am a much better and aware person than the rest, stupid masses" fashion.

FATAL
November 7th, 2007, 12:38 PM
Curious though, Fatal, I thought you had a pretty much coherent and effective social security and education systems. Is it the situation there as here, where there are a lot of mentally ill people left to the care of their relatives?
Yes, the same thing is happening with the elderly. Our current right wing government promised before the election that all kinds of injustices in our social security system would be fixed just like that, when in fact, and not surprisingly, during their time it has gotten worse. There are many details, like small wages and horrible working hours for many of the nursing jobs repelling new workers and an overall lack of funding that's steadily taking the formerly good system down
Long queues are also present here but I'd say that it is the gun thing what fails... In a country with the size of Finland, with its social structure, incoming standards, and overall quality of life, what is the use for a gun?
Actually, I'm somewhat shocked to find out that there are so many guns in Finland. There are over 50 guns per 100 citizens, making the country third most armed nation in the world. I must say that gun control is way too lax. No wonder these sort of things happen if every nutjob is able to get a gun legally. I really thought that we had stricter system, but apparently I was wrong. I will have to start spreading my opinion after this mess has cooled off; I wouldn't want to identify myself along with the people who demand more gun control merely because of this single incident.
I'd like to expand on the "help for those in need" line specially. How do you know when someone is in need of help?. I'd say that a cry for help is not always easily identified and the inane rants of the shooter could be related, for example, to a situation of social exclusion in his environment (Why do they always choose schools?. Is it common that the shooters are unpopular, percieved as "strange" or "shy" people?) in wich he pulls the pressure out by setting himself above the standards of the rest in "I am a much better and aware person than the rest, stupid masses" fashion.
Good point. However, it may be that if the psychological services weren't so awfully overloaded already, people could actually be offered to use these services when there's some sort of need to be seen. I do not know how these things work, though.

blood imp
November 7th, 2007, 12:46 PM
He spared one bullet for himself it seems. Tough luck that he hasn't (yet) died from the shot to the head. HA HA lern 2 shot.
Hmm... a true dumbshit.

Anyways, the gun system apparently failed. He managed to legitimately get a gun license. Either he cheated through the test or the civil servant was, as they usually are, incompetent. I do believe that with stricter control, this could've been avoided.
Sounds like a more efficient gun test is needed. I remember reading about the US Virginia Tech case a while ago, where some nutjob bought a gunvery easily and shot 32-33 people, including himself. There really isn't any psychology test, only a report on previous mis-doings. Seeing as the student has none, he was sold a gun with little questioning.

Danimetal
November 7th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Fatal, I perfectly understand each one of your pharagraps. I am afraid that our next goverment here will be a right one (though that has a particular meaning in Spain due to our short-term history) and will undo the social fixings that have been done lately... These kind of changes take time, I think... As for the elderly, same situation here, I am not to comment on personal issues but I know of people in thight situations because of that.

Many guns in findland?. I wouldn't have expected that!: I would have expected a high standards on incomes, low criminality, high depression rates and stuff but never that many guns. Gun control is a serious issue, at least that's how I think of it. Nomad had a point in wich guns "don't kill people, people do" but well, I would say that people with guns kill people (guns are made to kill, aren't them?). Of course, not everything relates to gun control as a deranged individual with a baseball bat or a kitchen knife could do his fair share of massacre and would be equally dangerous... There's a lot to think about: reducing the amount of guns should reduce the amount of incident related to them but I am sure it woudn't reduce the amount of incidents at all.

I tend to blame a lot of things on education though, and education starts right off at home and follows through many social structures like, say, school. Stricter control of content?. Parents that don't know their children at all?. Lack of attention?. Lack of a tight core of values?. Lack of understanding of rules?. Desires to stick out of a group?. You see, you just start mentioning factors and you will never stop. Where does exactly the chain fails to allow an 18 yeard old kill 7 people with a gun?. Why did he?. How?. I think those are the basics of the problems and just going up that ladder we will get to the "correct gun control", among many other important things.

Edit: Now that I read Fatal's words and see the importance of "gun control" on them I think about this film, "Falling Down". Many may know it, as it starres Michael Douglas but I found the movie as an "over-the-top" example on both things that have a point on this topic: first is gun control... Michael Douglas's character in the film slowly builds up an arsenal from nothing, demonstrating that with a baseball bat a deranged individual can be very threatening. Second is stress, confusion, alienation... These may not be exactly the hot issues on topic (stress is likely to appear nowadays in 18 year old people as well as confusion but alienation and other sort of issues treated in the film aren't) but the way in wich they are portraited in the film made me think about it. Overall, it's not a "recommended film" because of its content but for people with developed minds and thoughts can be very interesting indeed.

FATAL
November 8th, 2007, 07:20 AM
He spared one bullet for himself it seems. Tough luck that he hasn't (yet) died from the shot to the head. HA HA lern 2 shot.
Hmph, he died.
I tend to blame a lot of things on education though, and education starts right off at home and follows through many social structures like, say, school. Stricter control of content?. Parents that don't know their children at all?. Lack of attention?. Lack of a tight core of values?. Lack of understanding of rules?. Desires to stick out of a group?. You see, you just start mentioning factors and you will never stop. Where does exactly the chain fails to allow an 18 yeard old kill 7 people with a gun?. Why did he?. How?. I think those are the basics of the problems and just going up that ladder we will get to the "correct gun control", among many other important things.
Yeah, Dani. Being unwillingly subjected to the news (I'm already tired of this bullcrap), I've learned all kinds of details of this thing. I could go on about how he was bullied at school, that he was known to be a nutjob and such, but it wouldn't serve much.

These things happen coincidentally, meaning that there is potential everywhere for these kinds of things to occur. There are factors which effect this, mental help and the availability of guns come to mind at first, but it is a matter of "luck" in the last place.

Jimi
November 8th, 2007, 09:13 AM
It is dishonorable to kill people who have no way to kill the other.

Here's a poem inspired from all this...

There's been a tragedy in the land.
Hearts filled with sadness, sorrow and
misfortune... Why... why?
Did nine people need die?
So unfair,
now don't sit in the chair!
Rise, run for your life,
else it end in strife.


Is it nine people who died? Including the killer?

Also strong minded people don't need to kill anyone. He should have read The Art of War instead (if he did, he didn't understand). Even reading a small important fracture of it would be good. This line I found from wikipedia is good:
"Therefore One hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the most skillful. Seizing the enemy without fighting is the most skillful."

Danimetal
November 8th, 2007, 09:52 AM
Hmph, he died.
I sure he wouldn't have been likely to speak about it a lot after having shot himself in the head. I wonder, why these "plans" include killing people and then finishing oneself off?. Wasn't he supposed to be some kind of "darwinist humanist godlike superhuman above good and bad"?. Obviously, something between reality and his views doesn't exactly match. I pity for his family who will surely be subjected to a lot of pressure and will carry the feeling for the rest of their lives.

Yeah, Dani. Being unwillingly subjected to the news (I'm already tired of this bullcrap), I've learned all kinds of details of this thing. I could go on about how he was bullied at school, that he was known to be a nutjob and such, but it wouldn't serve much.
Again, what does happen inside one's mind to craft and execute such a plan?. "Everybody hates me"?. Surely not the only person with a similar feeling in the world but one of the "few" who ended up rampaging. Where does exactly the system fail?. I agree that it would be impossible to control whether every single person alive is on his sane mind but, shouldn't our society be developed enough to teach intelligent solutions to common problems?.

These things happen coincidentally, meaning that there is potential everywhere for these kinds of things to occur. There are factors which effect this, mental help and the availability of guns come to mind at first, but it is a matter of "luck" in the last place.
I guess I understand what you mean by "luck", something like the "impossibility to hold every single factor under control"?. If that's the case, I agree: institutions could never be able to but the whole complex of society should be able to do it up to some extent.

Jimi
November 8th, 2007, 10:10 AM
Where does exactly the system fail?. I agree that it would be impossible to control whether every single person alive is on his sane mind but, shouldn't our society be developed enough to teach intelligent solutions to common problems?

The society/system is based on who got the most money/power and they're only interested in getting more by whatever means necessary. Let's lower the booze prices, let's sell guns for 15 year olds, let's sell cigarettes, etc... And then you get people like these smileys:

*cowboy* *drinky* *crazy* *what* *arrr* *cranky* *bug*

blood imp
November 8th, 2007, 12:52 PM
I sure he wouldn't have been likely to speak about it a lot after having shot himself in the head. I wonder, why these "plans" include killing people and then finishing oneself off?. Wasn't he supposed to be some kind of "darwinist humanist godlike superhuman above good and bad"?. Obviously, something between reality and his views doesn't exactly match.
He probably thought that killing himself is the only way to free himself from the horror that is humanity (according to him).

Danimetal
November 8th, 2007, 03:22 PM
@Jimi: Though you have a point I have to disagree. At least I disagree from my point of view: why do we measure the world in things that aren't directly under our control?. I mean, how many of us (who have the time to post here) are so obsessed with obtaining power by whatever means neccesary?. I don't want to turn this into a political discussion but I'd like to demonstrate another point of view about what society really is/could be.

@Blood Imp: Well, I thought he thought he was way too superhuman and evolved as to end his godlike endeavours just there. Didn't he say something about his "one man war against everything"?. Did his enemy end him?. Didn't he talk about putting natural selection & survival of the fittest back on tracks?. Wasn't he naturally better?. Wasn't he fittest?... Really, I think he was completely out of his mind and I still wonder where did an 18 yeard old get all those ideas... Errr, no, better, I wonder how did these ideas get so deep into him. I think his problem had multiple facets and I'm sure that newspapers and daily TV reports are telling Fatal about many of them just now.

blood imp
November 8th, 2007, 04:43 PM
Good point there. Killing himself hardly makes him superhuman, much less the best candidate for Natural Selection.

rustyslacker
November 8th, 2007, 05:02 PM
Currently in Finland there isn't enough mental aid (psychiatrists and such) for people. The leaders know it and the people know it. Even though it is very rare that someone at the age of 18 has access to guns, the odds of those people using these guns would be significantly lower if there were less people without access to a psychiatrist. I do not know if this would've helped in this particular case, as he may not have been trying to get such help, but we shall look at the big picture now.
Guns still don't kill people, Fatal. Obviously, restricting access to weaponry hasn't helped anything.

Aliotroph?
November 8th, 2007, 05:37 PM
For his type of person it wouldn't because as long as there are guns idiots like him will find them. For average people restricting guns really does prevent a lot of children from dying randomly. We don't have those random incidents of kids blowing each other's heads off thinking guns are toys like you see in the American news.

Contrary to what Michael Moore would have you believe we still have people murdering each other with guns though. Most of that is gang related.

Jimi
November 9th, 2007, 07:41 AM
@danimetal: Maybe some societies and systems aren't so corrupted, but that's what they're based; power gained through bloodshed and money/other valuable materials. Now when someone or some group is trying to do this, it's usually called terrorism. If some terrorists would achieve their goal in eliminating the current system, they'd create another that's identical to the old system or if they left it systemless in anarchy, someone would rise and create the new system that's identical to the old. This is because there's always someone who wants a bit more than the other.

Pieter Enis
November 9th, 2007, 01:35 PM
That whole rant about him being superhuman does ring a bell.
Still think that last bullet didn't hit anything though.