Eliminate Currency

[Props]

Currency = corruption..I think.

I've been jotting down a few things in my book of music...and recently, I kind of came up with a new system to govern people.

Most likely everyone can find a flaw in my system, however, it's good to add upon, so please, if you think that something just won't work under certain conditions, please express yourself.

Eliminate the money. Not on a full level however. This may sound like communisim, but obiviously, it isn't, because it's never been done (or has it?)

I'll start from birth...

School (including a Higher Education)
Similar to the norm, acheivments are based on scores. Taylored to your learning ability (ie. visual, verbal, etc. Everyones different, getting something done doesn't matter how you've learned to do it.)
Not possible to acquire higher scores, there is no "handling of money", because money isn't there to be exchanged.

Throughout your education, you find something your may or may not enjoy, but it's a career to help out YOUR local enviornment, and here's my point, YOUR SYSTEM. It's not ran by anyone, but instead, literally everyone.
***clarification**** It's a start, but whether it happens or not is determined from a pole done through the postal service. The machines read your envelopes, tagging you SS# with your vote, so there is only 1 vote per person. These votes are posted on our recently developed WWW, where anyone can tally up the votes, to see who came out on top.

After education, you start your career. It's a hell of a lot more flexible than what we work with today, because of the sheer fact alone, that work records aren't kept...or maybe they are, you don't have to worry about going into work because you don't feel like it. That business doesn't generate any money. As a matter of fact, there is no economy.

Your pay doesn't exist, because those who worked in supermarkets before, no longer cator to the walk-in's, but instead have steady deliveries of the key essentials to everyone. Including food/cleaning/sanitary. I think this can solve how we survive.

What I'm getting at, is removing the plus' and minus' of everyday expenses. Less to worry about.

Extra credits, which are used only for luxury, are aquired through cival services. If there's someone who needs help with anything, your credit gains a higher score, which can be used later to entertain whomever.

They key here, is that no one in paticular is in charge, there is not country budget, and such, there is only a collective society that everyone participates in.

Regarding law and all that other stuff....well, that's just common sense. Laws are passed by the actual majority (voting). Expenses set aside for education, helping the needy, preserving the earth/enviornment and anything else I may have left out, is achieved through cival services.

That's pretty much my theory in a nutshell. I'm horrible at making things sort 'n simple, so please forgive me, if I'm not conveying my point of view properly.


I'm sorry this might not make much sense to you, though I'm telling you, I've got some sorta plan drawn out in my head, it's just tough to write it all down in a logical post.

Football, not Football de Americana, has been around longer than our country. Our wrinkles need to be ironed out, if it's like programming and it's completely bad code, you don't revise, you scrap it. Which just goes to show you how vunerable we really can be. We've been adding and adding to our governing rules, yet, nothing had been removed, only pasted over top of. It's getting messy, and it's time re-write and consolidate.

[Aliotroph?]

Something like that will never, ever work unless you either re-engineer humans to not be greedy, power hungry, and lazy; or unless you have fully automated means of producing just about everything so there's no cost or scarcity for most things. Other than that, your idea only begins to work for very small communities (and those use a lot of negative peer pressure, probably).

[Props]

I agree, that's partially my un-written point. It's tough, and as my bible beating grandparents told me, after I explained that I dont' believe in that sh*t as the cold truth, but maybe jesus knew something that most didn't, and that the world would be a much better place if instead, people's minds weren't full of concern, but full of giving. That would eliminate, in my opinion, a lot of evil. I would just like to think that, we, can focus on the positive, not the other side, and when that occurs, the only thoughts that tumble threw our minds, are how to help our nieghbors.
After telling my bible beating grandfather (which was because of his 2nd sons short life), he said, "That's just not possible, it can never happen...it just won't".

Now, I could be catagorized as a non-believer, but in the end, I believe that there is something that made this world come together, and it's something short of an unconscience belief that makes things happen around us. But why, would, a follower, my own blood, tell me that, they worship something, yet, the message of what they worship just can't be done, it's not possible.

BTW, they're Republican. I'm registered Independant.

MY idea, is starting a new...and perhaps, that's were are current problem exists....
WHat is done, is done. It's not revised, it's not reset, it's not scrapped. We only add to our system. It's tough to reset everyone, and tell em, "You did it this way, now, forget it, and do it this way." It's a tough transition. But yes, as you put it, there are still self-centered people who only care about self gain. That'll always be a problem...the question is...and it can be solved....similar to bot code, what factor makes people do it, and how, can or what will eliminate it.

Here's an analogy of Asian descent.

(similar to everyone who need to make change)
A top a mountain, there lies a bolder. Only time itself can lead to change. After it has passed, enough has given way, to allow the bolder to roll down the mountain. Is, or was it ready? Who knows, but the time had gone, the changes were made, just adapt. Change is tough, especially when you don't expect it.

Perhaps, law needs to be made to punish those who try to take advantage...there has to be a law/"code" that can detect malishish intentions. It's only obvious.

[FATAL]

That won't work, and would have a great resemblance to Soviet Union. People generally didn't want to live there.

What would work, however, is to increase taxing for the rich and adding extra support for the poor or unfortunate. Everyone should have equal rights to study whatever they will/are good at. I've gathered that only folks with rich parents can properly study without killing oneself with work.

[rustyslacker]

I dunno....in a different society where people are loving and caring and hardworking, this system would work like a charm.

It's got some interesting ideas, and a strange resemblance to a book called "The Giver".

[ace]

It's got some interesting ideas, and a strange resemblance to a book called "The Giver".

Excellent book it is, too. One of the few that I would ever care to read more than once.

On the subject matter at hand, I think it would take a very long time for it to happen, and even then there would always be a handful of individuals seeking more, some of whom may do something about it as such.

When it comes to greed and power (as well as a nearly infinite number of other things), I believe these things are, for the most part, learned. If one were to grow up in a society where there was no need for money, no poverty, and no struggle for power, nor desire to have more (which would most likely not be present due to the lack of need for money), and were raised by a person who lived in said society long enough that they accepted its structure, then I believe said person would not even consider the possibility power struggles or desire to have more (because with no need for money they could possibly have everything; however, most likely laws would need to be set up to restrict the amount of things one owns; this would create problems I assume though), as would be the case with a majority of said society (hooray for run-on sentences that are extremely broken up by overuse of statements in parentheses).

However. Keep in mind that there are six billion people on this rock. The chances of every single individual accepting this overnight are nil, and the chances of them accepting it ever are not much higher. There are great cultural divides that could easily hinder the process as well. And most importantly is that with elimination of currency completely would require a uniform government, of which the creation would be no doubt vastly complex, and would still leave some people who are unhappy with it at the end. And to top it off, governing six billion people equally is not a simple feat.

So in the end I am led to believe that this would be problematic and/or wouldn't last. At least for the time being, we are a long, LONG way from accomplishing something as this.

Oh, and as for finding a flaw with your plan:

Expenses set aside for education, helping the needy, preserving the earth/enviornment and anything else I may have left out, is achieved through cival services.

Understood if you meant handicapped/disabled people. However, if you meant those who lack one or more essential needs or are in poverty, that doesn't make much sense seeing as it would cost no money to retrieve food/send food to those who need it, and therefore such states of living could be abolished within probably less than 5 years' time. Again, not easy with six billion people, but if this were actually to go into action, well then. :p

[rustyslacker]

When it comes to greed and power (as well as a nearly infinite number of other things), I believe these things are, for the most part, learned. If one were to grow up in a society where there was no need for money, no poverty, and no struggle for power, nor desire to have more (which would most likely not be present due to the lack of need for money), and were raised by a person who lived in said society long enough that they accepted its structure, then I believe said person would not even consider the possibility power struggles or desire to have more (because with no need for money they could possibly have everything; however, most likely laws would need to be set up to restrict the amount of things one owns; this would create problems I assume though), as would be the case with a majority of said society (hooray for run-on sentences that are extremely broken up by overuse of statements in parentheses).
Interesting. This is probably VERY true.
Excellent book it is, too. One of the few that I would ever care to read more than once.
I read any book I like more than once. I love to read.

[Nomad]

Oh, man. The Giver was creepy as hell. I liked it, but didn't at the same time. Really interesting concept, but terrifying at the same time.

[ace]

I read any book I like more than once. I love to read.

While on the other hand, inversely, I am NOT a big reader (argh, I shouldn't have watched 10 Years so many times :D).

Actually I enjoy reading. But my problem is that I often I cannot bring myself to start reading a book as easily as I can bring myself to finish one. Perhaps it's a bit ironic that I don't read too much and yet frequent messageboards like nobody's business. But at least these messages aren't one-sided (unless all you other folk out there are really computer simulations). :p

But off-topickyness is better left for elsewhere, this thread hasn't lived long enough yet. No I am not ashamed that I just encouraged it.

[Doom_Dude]

I agree the current money system is garbage. It's so badly abused it's in need of a overhaul or needs to be destroyed.

At the very least, if we can't develop a new system, like Props has suggested, there needs to be the elimination of charging for food and shelter IMHO.

I don't see any fixes to the money crappage anytime soon tho. The rich aren't about to give up the glory of having all the power that they hold. Unfortunately any changes will come over a long period of time and by the time any significant changes come about we'll all be dust and won't see them anyways.

They won't even get rid of the fossil fuel sucking engine until the day the resources dry up, so I don't have much faith in any monetary adjustments.

[Aliotroph?]

Interesting. This is probably VERY true.

No. It's just not true. If that were true then little children wouldn't fight so violently over toys, animals wouldn't fight each other over stupid territory, etc. There's a strong genetic component to power, greed, laziness and the like. You can teach it out of people to an extent but the effort has to be pretty conscious. Bleagh.

Truth is, if I had the kind of power some rich people have I probably wouldn't be in a hurry to give it up. I'd use it for fun stuff like pumping loads of cash in to pure research with the ultimate goal of hitting the technological singularity and transforming humanity into something radically new and unpredictable where we're clearly one with our tech. Why I want this I'm not quite sure.

Too many people want riches to be better than other people which makes it damn hard to fix things though.

[Nomad]

Truth is, if I had the kind of power some rich people have I probably wouldn't be in a hurry to give it up. I'd use it for fun stuff like pumping loads of cash in to pure research with the ultimate goal of hitting the technological singularity and transforming humanity into something radically new and unpredictable where we're clearly one with our tech. Why I want this I'm not quite sure.

I'm with you there, Alio, for sure. I'm don't so much want riches for my own benefit, but for everyone's benefit. We're getting so close to that point of technological singularity, I can almost taste it.

A lot of religious people will not like this idea, though. When we can replace important bodily functions with machines and technology, and possibly even replace our whole bodies with nanotech, we will effectively nearly put an end to death, which will upset a lot of people. What good is Heaven and Hell if you can live forever?

I can't wait for those days, because all of my sci-fi geek dreams can come true. The universe will be for our taking (provided it doesn't interfere with other species'/races' wills--wouldn't want to piss anyone off we don't need to piss off, as there's undoubtedly other peoples out there that may be more technologically advanced, no matter how advanced we may be, even if we hit that point of infinity)

[jetflock]

There is a new age approaching. People will evolve a little. A bunch of those "Indigo children" are popping up all over the place in spades.
To bad we are in the middle.
The government keeps new technology hidden for about 50 years before we see it, just the way that works. Concerning current rule, maybe our leaders are aware of a new "coming of age" and are refining nano-technology in order to ensure control, past the point in the coming evolution.
I don't know if I am talking more about genetics, or man's integration with new technology.

[Aliotroph?]

They can't keep new tech under wraps for 50 years. I've never heard of one single example of a technology where any attempt at that has been made in recent history, or even a technology where it would make that much of a difference. This is especially true when you consider that governments routinely are at odds with each other and their labs spit out civilian scientists and engineers to who form their own companies constantly.

Most governments wouldn't even have the tech and science savvy to pull something like that off if they wanted to. As it is they can't even agree what kind of laws should govern some things we already have, like the internet, which has been around for quite a while already.

Governments are awesome at finding ways to make sure they and their friends have lots of money and power to get more money though.

As to where some of our fancy tech is leading, I dare not speculate. Lots of it is going in immediately obvious directions. We seem to be heading rapidly towards, cheaper, faster, and more efficient in terms of electronics and possibly things like transportation but other things are totally up in the air.

Genetic engineering and nanotech look like they have potential to screw things up badly if they go wrong, but nanotech stuff seems to be creeping along slowly and mostly making various engineers really excited (like those NASA guys looking to build a space elevator).

GM crops are kind of scary. This goes back to my "don't let big companies do whatever they want" rant. WTF are we supposed to do when all the world's weeds are resistent to Round-Up and the companies are sueing farmers because GM seeds blow into other fields??? They should be forced to grow that crap in hydroponic gardens somewhere. We don't need more food; we just need to distribute it and its production better.

I think the problem is there isn't enough of a conspiracy... :p

[Kelthan]

Sometimes I wish we would all go back to the old bartering system we used to have. But that wouldn't work, because the current system has created too many people who are uneducated and are without a trade to provide themselves with things to barter with.

But what Props said just reminded me of the book 1982... or was it 1984?

[Sigma]

1984 (written by George Orwell).

[jetflock]

I've just installed some machine guns on my 1977 Dodge Charger.

[Aliotroph?]

Barter systems are crap. You can't get anything done when you make baskets and the only guy who wants baskets makes socks. So you trade for some socks and then you gotta find somebody who wants a pile of socks so you can get a radio... UGH! How the hell would you ever set up any complex manufacturing??? Pretty much any society that had more than a few hundred people in any place eventually invented money one way or another.

[coldkiller]

or we could just make a movement for communsim and have equal share :p

[Aliotroph?]

Yay! Equal poverty! :D

[FATAL]

At least that would encourage people to create common good.

[Sigma]

Yay! Equal poverty!

Contemporary Russia (and even the former USSR) is/was not a proper form of Communism. Even so, considering the nation rose from near ash to a powerful-juggernaut comparable to the United States in a mere fifty years is commendable. At the peak of the Soviet Union's power, the Russians could have marched all over Canada. ;)

Vladimir Ilych Lenin was a good leader. Unfortunately, the hatred of other nations (especially that of the United States, Germany and Britian) and Joseph Stalin destroyed the future of the nation. If nationalism was taken out of the picture and a proper model of Communism was being used, this system of government would probably work exponentially better than the current Rebublic/Capitalist systems. I write probably because it has obviously never been implemented on such a scale to be tested-- not because it wouldn't work, but rather, because the people with power refuse to subject themselves to such a state-- even if it is in the best interests of all people.

A Capitalist system automatically has several (huge) problems in practice. Most of these problems cannot be helped without overhauls (changing titanic components of the system). A non-nationalist Democracy/Socialist government would be the best in practice-- the problem is implementing it properly and giving it time to warm up. The United States' form of government works fairly well, but you need to keep in mind that it had hundreds of years of retrospect to build upon-- a luxury neither Karl Marx, Fredrich Engels or Lenin had. These men were mostly speculative, re-affirming their speculations with isolated cases of revolution and the problems of the Capitalist system being demostrated throughout Europe.

[FATAL]

Cuba probably has probably been the closest thing to a proper communist country so far. Despite the fact that people aren't allowed to criticize the goverment, everyone is taken care of and everyone has a chance to get education.

Next come countries like Canada, Finland and Sweden, which all have rather good social security and make sure people don't have to live in bad conditions.

Basically my vision is that while proper communism would be hard to implement in modern society, raising taxes would work very well. If that heavy tax income was used properly, to keep people healthy and educated, it certainly would lead to a much more productive and overall healthier society. The bad thing is that people seem to be afraid of taxes for some strange reason, and thus the politicians aiming for tax increases aren't as popular as the ones that tell blatant lies. I guess people think that the tax money is just away from them and doesn't give anything in return.

That, however, could be fixed with proper education. Convince the people that tax money is indeed for people's own good. Too bad that such education isn't really going to happen with most politicians being capitalist pigs and all.

Contemporary Russia (and even the former USSR) is/was not a proper form of Communism. Even so, considering the nation rose from near ash to a powerful-juggernaut comparable to the United States in a mere fifty years is commendable. At the peak of the Soviet Union's power, the Russians could have marched all over Canada. ;)
Heh, that's only because the Russians are so nationalistic.
No other people would've endured through what the Russians endured.

Also Lenin wasn't as lovely as may be lead to believe. While he had good intentions, his ways of getting there were nowhere near as good.

[Doom_Dude]

Fatal you sound like a politician with the whole 'raise taxes' speech. :p

People don't like taxes because.... they suck. In this province we have a 15% sales tax. That's a lot of TAX Revenue just from sales alone just on small ticket items. On big items like cars the government is sucking in thousands of dollars. Buy a 20,000 dollar car and pay 3000 tax... yay.

....and that's just a sales tax. There many other taxes, hidden tax on booze, property tax, etc... Oooh and theres the lovely lottery 'voluntery tax' where the can give away 20 million dollars a week or more. How much money do they rake in that they can give away a 20 million prize? O_o

So why is there big holes in some roads that never get patched? Also when they do send guys out to patch a hole, they will only patch what's on the work order so if a big hole that isn't on the work order is nearby they won't touch it. Even if they have leftover asphalt, it'll get dumped on the side of the road instead of going in the damned hole. Just one example of how stupid things work. No wonder people are fed up with the way things work and how much tax money is wasted. Yes raise taxes so those idiots can make a 2nd and 3rd trip to patch holes they should've fixed in the first place. The system itself is inefficient and fucked up by politicians and money sucking leechers.

Then there's the hospitals. Ugh. How high do the taxes have to go to get them working so people don't have to wait weeks for an xray. *bug* Please god kill me before the taxes do. *bug*

[FATAL]

Bureaucracy is almost as evil as low taxes. :p

[Doom_Dude]

Haha I'm off to buy some stuff online and see if I can avoid the 15%.

*goes into stealth mode* ;)

[Boingo the Clown]

Eliminate curency?

How will we be able to run our lights and TVs and computers?

Can we at least keep DC?

[FATAL]

It's both or neither. How could we control illegal home-made currents?

[Doom_Dude]

How come we can't lower politician's salaries and use that money to give everybody free computers?

Here in Canada, politicians can make $80,000 dollars clear in a year that they really don't have to spend and can put in the bank or invest because they get xtra money to spend for office stuffs, meals, trips or whatever that is something like an xtra $120,000. Yes, please increase the taxes so we can fly the fuckers to the moon.

[+Acyclitor+]

barter system for the win!

you know, a lot of the problems 1st world countries have today are the result of over-abundance. as with most things, the world is going to balance its problems out with catastrophe. America is gonna keep sliding, and soon we (and probably many current well-to-do countries) will find ourselfs without enough food to keep ourselves fat, not enough money to buy houses and fill them with shit we don't need. and we will return to a barter system (after initial anarchy of course), and you will find yourself hunting and killing your family's dinner, or helping your naighbor thatch his roof so you may share in his bounty... the way nature intended.

you can't escape from the natural order of things. when the world gets fucked up, it finds a way to correct itself. we humans have been resisting the way of nature, and we are now engineering our means to reistablishing the intended method of life.

[cchristianTP]

Currency = corruption..I think.
NO
POWER is proportional to CORRUPTION

I don't think you get it...
You want to get rid of currency?
Currency is a VAST step forward, it enhances progress.
this wont work, trust me.

[rustyslacker]

Currency is indirectly equal to corruption. You're both right. Power is equal to corruption, but money is equal to power. And I bet cchristian only knew that saying because it's a cliche.

[cchristianTP]

POWER is proportional to CORRUPTION
Is not a cliche. is fact.
MONEY however does not = power, only the possible means, which is dependant...

this wont work, trust me.
you should listen to this guy, he is VERY much a genious.
I generally take what he says to be true on face value.

[rustyslacker]

No, the phrase "power corrupts" is a cliche.

Money equals influence. Influence equals power.
you should listen to this guy, he is VERY much a genious.
I generally take what he says to be true on face value.
ur st00pid

[cchristianTP]

NYOOOO!!! I am not st00pid!!!
Charlie brown profiled person ([Rusty Slacker]) is a liar!!!

And I didn't say "absolute power corrupts absolutely" I said a general truth!

[rustyslacker]

And I didn't say "absolute power corrupts absolutely"
You said it was proportional. *wacko*

[cchristianTP]

Ah yes, but did I say the Exact Cliche?
NO!
I said a truth, not a cliche, BUT i we will be going into that;
WHAT is the absoute Definition of 'currupt' (no Thesaureses allowed)

[Nomad]

You generally don't use a thesaurus to define words. Douchebag.

[rustyslacker]

Corrupt, defined from my own brain:

Sacrificing integrity or moral values for money, sex, or other material items and pleasures.
I said a truth, not a cliche, BUT i we will be going into that;
Go for it.

[Aliotroph?]

You need not seek material things to be corrupt: you really could just want power or the ability to influence/hurt people. :p

Anyway, I stick by my argument that communism will never really work on a large scale since people evolved to be bastards.

[cchristianTP]

You generally don't use a thesaurus to define words. Douchebag.

Sorry, my inglish is not impeccabe; just good.

Wörterbuch.
this means
"Dictionary"

ha ha!
Is ths the big book that defines things?

*giddy* You need not seek material things to be corrupt: you really could just want power or the ability to influence/hurt people. :p

Anyway, I stick by my argument that communism will never really work on a large scale since people evolved to be bastards.
Thank you!

I will once again state, HALF YOU ARE ALL IDEALISTS.
you are using 'The easy and simple way out'
that won't work.

Now if youl excuse me...
*runs off to watch Dr.Who!" *giddy*

[rustyslacker]

I like how you think you're qualified to judge everybody, as well as debate things you so obviously know jack shit about. :)

[cchristianTP]

Free normal earth air (the kind we breath) to the person to first Delete This post!!!

It's called "good forensical manner".
If I can't get good arguent going with little knowledge, what good am I in Debate tournments???

But I DO have a good deal of knowledge on THIS especially, Iv'e been thinking of it for a Long time... (more than hal of my life, stangelyish)

[rustyslacker]

But I DO have a good deal of knowledge on THIS especially, Iv'e been thinking of it for a Long time... (more than hal of my life, stangelyish)
If ya don't mind my asking, how old are you?

[cchristianTP]

16
lols, so half my life is... 8?
yes this is right

And I got Full Doom pack in, 1997? lets see 7... so yeah, 1997

but I never would talk of something if i wasn't sure what I was talking about...

you?

[CrazedImp]

You are 16? I think you had a typo with that 1.
And yet again with more of your bragging. You? On a debating team? Have you ever won? I doubt you have, but then again you'll probably come up with more bullshit to feed to make yourself think you have accomplished something.

[Sigma]

Sixteen? I do not entirely wish to contribute to the apparent movement for you to be ostracized, but-- it is entirely impossible for you to (in truth) understand politics and religion at that age. I understand that you think you do; that is completely normal. You will simply have to trust me when I state that you do not. That is not to state that there are not sixteen year-olds, or even individuals of lesser age that offer debate here-- but there is a reason that I write this specifically for you.

The power of anonymity is an incredible force when exercised on a forum, but the truth is, government, politics and religion are the most complex topics, in terms of debate, in existence, and you are hardly qualified. You are lucky that I've been extremely exhausted for the prior month; I am more than willing to put you in your felicitous place.

Because you are apparently German, I will give you some advice. Stop posting so God damn much. Accumulate your words and statements. Having a post count as high as yours is unacceptable considering you've only had habitat here for a week or so. At least I think it is-- I suppose most wouldn't agree. I was once "like" you, but over time you begin to realize that your ego isn't as important as simply being a member of a community as great as this one, and then, it all just falls into place. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect the frame of what you are writing, but everything else is worthless.

You make it too easy for me to take your own posts and turn them into a hammer to smite you with, but I won't. That does not mean that one of the several people you've already managed to irritate will not however.

I understand your comment on my signature-- but you entirely missed the point. It is a comment specifically about people who write as though they know what they are talking about, but don't. ;)

Now that we've discussed the signature, let us move on to my title...

[Nomad]

Sixteen? I do not entirely wish to contribute to the apparent movement for you to be ostracized, but-- it is entirely impossible for you to (in truth) understand politics and religion at that age. I understand that you think you do; that is completely normal. You will simply have to trust me when I state that you do not. That is not to state that there are not sixteen year-olds, or even individuals of lesser age that offer debate here-- but there is a reason that I write this specifically for you.

Hmm... Well, I think I'd probably say that a couple months ago, I'd agree with you, but there are certainly a couple people who I'd say are pretty good exceptions to this statement. I'm pretty sure FATAL understands what he's talking about, and I think Rusty is getting there.

...But I do agree that cchristianTP is an idiot. I think a lot of people here would agree that.

[rustyslacker]

I understand your comment on my signature-- but you entirely missed the point. It is a comment specifically about people who write as though they know what they are talking about, but don't.
Heheh. Pwned.
Hmm... Well, I think I'd probably say that a couple months ago, I'd agree with you, but there are certainly a couple people who I'd say are pretty good exceptions to this statement. I'm pretty sure FATAL understands what he's talking about, and I think Rusty is getting there.
Awwww. :)

How is cchristianTP possibly 16? CrazedImp and I can't be the only ones to doubt that statement. *squint*

[Aliotroph?]

I believe him on that one. You give the average 16-year old too much credit. :p

It's easily possible to have 127 good posts in a week. At one point I posted 100+ per day but the forums were very active then and there was a lot of silly talk about Winona going on.

I'm sure he'll get less annoying. It may happen years after he manages to get banned or it may happen fairly soon, but it will probably happen. :)

[cchristianTP]

Sixteen? I do not entirely wish to contribute to the apparent movement for you to be ostracized, but-- it is entirely impossible for you to (in truth) understand politics and religion at that age.

Understanding of politcs is part of the College curriculum that I am taking.
I have an 8 in that class, partially cause I don't like writing papers and shit... Xb

But seriously, I'm Very Immature, But I know a load more than most 18 year olds... In everything.
(I like to baffle the other students with Physics, they cannot understand it. Lols)

And I was not 'Bragging in that post... I really Do make sure I have an okie Understanding of something before I talk about it, BullShit, as in my philosophy textbook is the cause of most misinformtionl problems, thats why people think Al-Jazeera is anti semetic.

[cchristianTP]

I'm sure he'll get less annoying. It may happen years after he manages to get banned or it may happen fairly soon, but it will probably happen. :)
I will, I usually over-spam message boards whn I first get there...

And yes crazed imp, I don't remember saying I was on a debate team but... yeah Iv'e won a couple... t's kinda hard to be taken seriously though, it takes a couple rounds to get the oppenents to stop slacking off... as for BSing, this is required for the entire idea of debate, but I am a little too squeamish about it... I only make up sources or facts that won't be proven wrong... (Don't worry, only in debte class)

But we aren't discussing the topic here and I don't really care... It's far too radicak to be taken seriously in a political situation. so I leave...

[Props]

Just rekindling this thread...

I think there are too many systems based off of other systems. These systems were developed back in the day, and obviously didn't include our current technology and scientific progress. People are simple in a fact, that if you suggest something....they immediately want to classify it under something that already exists. We can't possibly believe that our current governmental workings are flawless, but perhaps back in the day, they worked great. Things have changed, along with human intellect. We've evolved a great deal...mentally. I'm not saying that it's all good, but perhaps we need to scrap our current concepts and come up with some new ones...while discarding those that have been amended numerous times....

For instance...in the US, it seems like currency you actually hold is being pushed towards never seeing it. Example, direct deposit from your work (This allows your employer to immediatly deposit your paycheck into your bank). Then there's plastic cards that supposedly pay for anything...anywhere. If we're all doing this....than where is the actual money, that's supposedly backed by gold in our federal reserves.

I see too many loop-wholes in this...especially when it comes to hackers....because if this new system is a way of your life, you actually never have anything to show for....

[Doom_Dude]

...this thread is olde. Try not to rekindle too many ancient ones.

I was thinking, after reading your post, if everybody has plastic money and I want to give Joe Blow down the road $10 for a used CD how the hell will that work? Will he have to have an credit machine in his front room, so the government can charge tax and sell lists of what people are trading and know what stuff you own? O_o

[Props]

I won't revive any old threads, with the exception of this one.

I don't have an answer to your question...but that's defiantly a possibility. In the US, we now have commercials showing how "fast" and efficient shopping can be, using a card linked directly to your bank. There's even the technology that uses tiny chips, so you can wave your card over a wireless scanner....after they get the whole.."everyone's moving constantly concept and are only focused on ourselves"....then one guy with cash 'n change, throws a wrench in the work and causes this efficient system to come to a hold.
I think the motto is...keep things moving.

I haven't read all the posts leading up to this, nor remember my previous stance, but regardless, I'm saying, I now think that this digital world needs to be re-thought. Eliminate currency? If it was strictly based off of peoples individual prices, and there was no market....then, maybe there wouldn't be a real need for currency, with the exception of a neutral currency, that enabled people to achieve and equal trade. If this was the case, I don't think that these gigantic corporations would have the power to hike prices, especially after the competing companies dropped their guard and came to a mutual agreement on raising the prices altogether.

[Heidi]

Despite the fact that people aren't allowed to criticize the goverment

http://www.netforcuba.org/HumanRights-EN/HumanRights/Main.htm
http://www.netforcuba.org/HumanRights-EN/SeparatedFamilies/Main.htm
http://www.netforcuba.org/HumanRights-EN/CubanAssassinated/main.htm
http://www.netforcuba.org/HumanRights-EN/Massacres/Main.htm
http://www.netforcuba.org/HumanRights-EN/Videos/CrimesVideos.htm

everyone is taken care of

http://www.netforcuba.org/InfoCuba-EN/HealthCare/MedicalApartheid.htm

and everyone has a chance to get education

http://www.netforcuba.org/InfoCuba-EN/Education/Main.htm
http://www.netforcuba.org/InfoCuba-EN/Education/edu-002.htm

Cuba probably has probably been the closest thing to a proper communist country so far

Indeed: http://www.netforcuba.org/InfoCuba-EN/CubainPictures/CubainPictures.htm


There's your Disneyland.

[FATAL]

The lack of comprehension of what you read seems to be a common trait for people with your opinion.

[Pieter Enis]

This was fun to read.
I could add some statement in reply to the main topic, but everything has been said, mainly that it won't work.

[Heidi]

Extra credits, which are used only for luxury, are aquired through cival services. If there's someone who needs help with anything, your credit gains a higher score, which can be used later to entertain whomever

It is my sad duty to inform you that credits = meritocracy = capitalism.

If you challenged Chomsky to a bullshit contest, you would probably draw level :)

[Props]

Hmm, my memory isn't the most accurate with small things in the past, but there's more to life, than earning/spending. We've seemed to concentrate on all of the wrong things...and as kind of a joke, I'd request, whenever possible, check out a comedy called, Idiocracy.

It's about the future, when people have become so dependant on technology, that when it fails, our most basic survival knowledge/instinct has for a very long time, been thrown out the door.

[Heidi]

Hmm, my memory isn't the most accurate with small things in the past, but there's more to life, than earning/spending. We've seemed to concentrate on all of the wrong things...

But life is miserable without earning and spending. Even if what matters most to you is your family, like in my case, it would be hell if a government stopped me from providing comfort and relative luxury to my family. I create my own capital and I spend it the way I see fit.

Some people are fine with just a small piece of the pie, but some want the whole thing, and since I bake my own pies, I can have as much of them as I please.

It's about the future, when people have become so dependant on technology, that when it fails, our most basic survival knowledge/instinct has for a very long time, been thrown out the door.

Survival knowledge? what a load of rubbish. Someone from the city would have problems suriviving in the jungle and someone from the jungle, who's seen little technology if any, would have problems suriviving in the city, but people eventually adapt and learn how to deal with inconveniences and new environemnts.