Discussion on: NewDoom Wad Reviews #6 (01.02.06)

[FATAL]

Yup. We rule.



Don't agree on it? Give us your best shot.

[Doom_Dude]

Is the discussion started yet? ;)

[PumpkinSmasher]

MAINANTANCE COMPLEX just didn't seems a great as the score made it out to be IMO.

[Doom_Dude]

Unfortunately I don't see anything I want to try. The Vile thing sounded ok until I read about the end battle. I like fighting a few viles but that sounds insane. Mr-Rocket looks to have the best map in the lot, but I don't deathmatch.

[Danimetal]

MAINANTANCE COMPLEX just didn't seems a great as the score made it out to be IMO.
That´s what discussions are for :). Personally, I enjoyed that long ride a lot: it packed a lot of monsters, action, puzzling and wandering around. These are things that I enjoy but I´m sure that there are people out there that may like their maps shorter, with different battles... Anything. Just to start discussing something PumkinSmasher, what was what you didn´t like about the map and the score you´d give to it?.

[PumpkinSmasher]

Parts of the map are very cramped, and some just end in a dead end, having to turn around seeing another small room opened up. And it got annoying quite fast. I found myself not sure where to go next, and retracing my steps. The map just didn't appeal to me, and i got tired of playing it very quickly. I did not finish the map because it just wasn't fun to me. I would have given it a 4 or 5. The author did put a lot of effort into it, but it just didn't quite achieve the status of good.

[Danimetal]

As said in some other thread, I assume it´s all a matter of tastes. I liked a lot to wander around the place figuring out what to do next and never found myself having to backtrack much to find the right away. I don´t know, it´s not a typical Doom map, requires effort and dedication to get through it and win.

[PumpkinSmasher]

Exactly, I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, i'm just saying my opinion of the map is different.

[FATAL]

Unfortunately I don't see anything I want to try. The Vile thing sounded ok until...
Oh crap. Seems like I didn't sound negative enough. :)

[Danimetal]

Exactly, I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, i'm just saying my opinion of the map is different.
And nothing else I expected to read :).

[Grazza]

I must say I really liked Simo Malinen's huge maps, of which Maintenance Complex was (IIRC) the largest. Definitely not a good choice to play if you're looking for something quick and simple, but if you're willing to spend an afternoon on it (it will take something like 1.5 - 2 hours, if not more), then it's something you can really immerse yourself in.

I do recall spending some time wondering where the hell to go next, but it wasn't a huge amount of time, and I didn't need to look at the map in an editor to solve it.

[FATAL]

When an editor needs to be opened in order to know where to go next, there's something wrong with the map design. I think that it's best when the player has to look around on where to go next now and then, just as long as it doesn't take a year.

[Danimetal]

Agreed on that unless you´re aiming at some exploration oriented gameplay... Doom maps use to have a fast gameplay even if they´re long and finding the way usually is a question of trying a couple of paths. I think that finding the way around the level is a part of the fun and the puzzles but in some maps it´s made so difficult like when a switch opens a door you don´t even hear or know where it is.

[MR_ROCKET]

Wow thanks for the good review on PD3D guys, everyone's always liked that old dm wad even if it is one of my abstract, It's like a big dm playground or something. :P
heh I wasn't expecting an 8 though *thumbs*

[PumpkinSmasher]

Good Job Rocket

[FATAL]

Agreed on that unless you´re aiming at some exploration oriented gameplay... Doom maps use to have a fast gameplay even if they´re long and finding the way usually is a question of trying a couple of paths. I think that finding the way around the level is a part of the fun and the puzzles but in some maps it´s made so difficult like when a switch opens a door you don´t even hear or know where it is.

http://reviews.newdoom.com/reviews/ndr004.shtml#For_whom_the_bell_tolls = fun

[max1114]

bla bla bla, eny way you can not prove this...

[FATAL]

Yes our horrible secret has just been unweiled.

[D.etews]

7 point reviews dont exist. its 3-5-8, with 0 points for edits of old reviews. Really awful submissions can sometimes result in negative points.

But in the past you used to give 1 point for having edited a review, isnt it?

[MR_ROCKET]

Keep checking back, he might answer you 3 years from now. :D

[Mystic]

what was it all about??? these old threads remind me how much I miss the way these forums were a few years ago, plenty of characters posting. I still like those old Plexydome maps. When I think about it a lot of those old legacy maps are mostly pretty interesting considering all the 'new at the time' features they were using. I would love enough spare time to remake some of my own maps the way they should have been if I hadnt rushed them out.