We want an 0.0001 alpha of new Legacy 2.0

[LoxotroniX]

We all want alpha of legacy 2.0, who agree with me?
plz you should realese it for as in december like a present, it will be testers version, plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz, plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,pl z,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz,plz *spin* *spin* *spin* *spin* *spin* *spin* *spin* *spin* *spin* *spin*

[The Undertaker]

Ho ho ho (http://forums.newdoom.com/showthread.php?t=28034)

[ace]

Looks like I missed that... not that I'm too enthusiastic about alpha stages of things, but I might just look at it. Heh.

All those "plz"es and *spin*s made me die a little on the inside...

[DOOM_GOAT]

Hmmm..... no.

[MR_ROCKET]

PLZ (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/doomlegacy/doomlegacy_c%2B%2B/docs/BUGS.html)
Until then make sure to check this out :) (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/doomlegacy/doomlegacy_c%2B%2B/docs/editing.html)

[Jive]

You could try ZdoomGl during this time...
And NO: no bugged beta, PLEASE!!!

But... Hurry up, guys, because I begin to be very tired to wait after it, and I think seriously to use ZdoomGl instead of Legacy!!
Zdoom is made by ONE man, and it's well alive... The OpenGl version is made by ONE man and it's well alive... Jdoom is made by ONE man and it's well alive...
What are you doing during this time?!?
In the past, I had no problem to defend Legacy, when it was under attack. But today, I can't continue: the difference is too big, now, and NOTHING is happening since a too long time!!!
I know perfectly that you are all making it on your free time, but it's the same thing for the other ports, and those ones are well developped...

So, tell us WHEN it will be available, PLZ.

That said, I wish you a happy new year, and I want to thank you all for the great job made on Legacy.
It was the best port ! *grin*

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Ok, I wasn't serious when I said that I think to leave Legacy, but... Today, Legacy is no more the best port, and here, I'm very serious! *shocked*

Sorry to bug you with my *cry*

[PumpkinSmasher]

Zdoom is made by ONE man, and it's well alive... The OpenGl version is made by ONE man and it's well alive... Jdoom is made by ONE man and it's well alive...
What are you doing during this time?!?
In the past, I had no problem to defend Legacy, when it was under attack. But today, I can't continue: the difference is too big, now, and NOTHING is happening since a too long time!!!
I know perfectly that you are all making it on your free time, but it's the same thing for the other ports, and those ones are well developped...

I'm beginning to agree with Jive. Unfortunatly. Legacy has always been one of favorite ports, and still is. But the other ports seem to be getting new features at a much faster pace. And it makes it easier to get pulled away from Legacy.

PS: Try GZdoom

[wendt]

in the thirteenth, thirty eigth, sixty third, eighty eighth, one hundred thirteenth, one hundred thirty eighth, one hundred sixty third, one hundred eighty eighth, two hundred thirteenth, and two hundred thirty eighth "plz"s you put a space after "pl" and before "z." o...k... but ja, du bist.. uh.. right. we all want a legacy 2.0 alpha release, or something. ya.

cheers,
wendt

[Aliotroph?]

Heh, there have been three alphas.

As for Legacy being dead, it's been rewritten from scratch. The bugged alphas have features not present in 1.42, like HeXen. Other ports were slow when they got rewrites too, like JDoom for example. That was a long time ago now though.

Speaking of features, I noticed those vanilla DooM 3D bridges work in 1.42, even in GL. When did that get slipped in?

[iori]

I can't believe we're still getting comments and questions like these?

Zdoom is made by ONE man, and it's well alive... The OpenGl version is made by ONE man and it's well alive... Jdoom is made by ONE man and it's well alive...
Well guess what? Legacy is currently being redone by ...wait for it... ONE man (no offence to the other contributers of course :p).

What are you doing during this time?!?
Smite is doing absolutely nothing, obviously. That is why 'nothing' is happening.

Seriously, do you expect a new thread and a news post about every bug that's squashed and feature that's implimented, regardless of how minor?

Ok, I wasn't serious when I said that I think to leave Legacy, but... Today, Legacy is no more the best port, and here, I'm very serious! *shocked*
Shame, better start tearing down DLW now then, eh? Since when was Legacy ever advertised as 'The Best Port'?


All those "plz"es and stupid rolling smilies made me die a little on the inside...
Agreed.

[DarkWolf]

Jive, do everyone a favor and STFU.

[rustyslacker]

STFU yourself, DarkWolf.

[Aliotroph?]

It's true; there aren't a lot of people working on Legacy. Smite did most of the C++ porting and Hurdler has been busy with new graphics stuff (in addition to a dev job...). Other than that there have just been minor additions by guys like Darkwolf.

[Planky]

As others have pointed out, we more or less have only one person working on Legacy with the addition of Hurdlers work on the renderer. Neither are able to devote as much time as others port maintainers do.

I'm certain we are all greatful for the work that has been and will be done.

[Doom_Dude]

Good things come to those who wait. ;)

[Jive]

Jive, do everyone a favor and STFU.Darkwolf, do everyone a favor: SHUT UP !!! *mad*

Hey, I ask to the moderators a favor: can you tell this guy to leave me quiet?

And, of course, my post was a provocation...*rolleyes*

[shinobi]

I would say, if someone asked me (something that will never happen *bawl*)

*Drop hi-color/hi-res textures!
*Concentrate in a simple opengl renderer! Or just use the old one.... if its possible. Just encapsulate the old functions. I think that this should have been the first step for a 2.0 version, because it seems to be the biggest issue the Legacy team has.
*Concentrate on the net code!
*Concentrate on the scripting engine!
*Forget everything else..



And we may have a winner......


In a last case, just continue to put some work on a possible 1.45 version.

Please, tell us when a POSSIBLE version will come out.. Just an aprox. date.

[Frades]

December 2006.

[Planky]

Hey, I ask to the moderators a favor: can you tell this guy to leave me quiet?

Darkwolf, can you leave Jive quiet?

[Planky]

*Drop hi-color/hi-res textures!
*Concentrate in a simple opengl renderer! Or just use the old one.... if its possible. Just encapsulate the old functions. I think that this should have been the first step for a 2.0 version, because it seems to be the biggest issue the Legacy team has.
*Concentrate on the net code!
*Concentrate on the scripting engine!
*Forget everything else.

1. You better run after suggesting that, or boingo will be after you with face paint and a rubber nose!
2. The old one needed replacing. I imagine it would be just as much work to get the current renderer to work with 2.0 as it would be to write a new one.
3. Already being done.
4. Already being done (ACS Scripting).
5. What else is there?

[Aliotroph?]

Like Planky said, the olde GL renderer is broken. It does a poor job with things like t-joins, the dynlights don't blend nicely, there are frustrating sky bugs (look around the skylight in E2M1 for an example), Several features in the software renderer don't work in GL, and the code is probably a hairball after five years. Encapsulating that is an ugly idea at best.

That said, I noticed a couple nice thing creeped into it recently like vanilla Doom 3D bridges, and coronas that seem to be drawn more where you would expect them.

Go Hurdler! *thumbs*

[Planky]

Doesn't the current alpha still use the old renderer?

[DarkWolf]

Everytime Jive posts on this forum, I die a little bit.

Anyway, no one has the right to bitch about the speed of development. If you want it done faster start making code contributions. If you don't want to do that, STFU.

[DooMAD]

What possible difference would the announcement of a release date actually make? Just be patient, it will be done when it's ready.

no one has the right to bitch about the speed of development. If you want it done faster start making code contributions. If you don't want to do that, STFU.
Amen.

[Danimetal]

Doesn't the current alpha still use the old renderer?
It does, I think. In fact, I don´t know if the software renderer will be changed at all. That´s something that only Smite-Meister could talk about.

[Jive]

Everytime Jive posts on this forum, I die a little bit.
STOP YOUR PERMANENT PERSONAL ATTACKS.

LEAVE ME QUIET !!!

Anyway, no one has the right to bitch about the speed of development.
Who are you to tell me what I have the right to do or not?!?

If you want it done faster start making code contributions.
I agree, and you are right to tell it!!!

If you don't want to do that, STFU.
What?!?
Who are you to tell me such a thing?!?

I think that I contributed LARGELY to Legacy with all of my work and my site (plus what you don't even mind during the development with Hurdler), entirely dedicated to this port exclusively!!!
DLW was visited nearly 1 million of times... (my counter has been deleted by someone when it has reached the number of 850 000 )

So, you have NO RIGHT to tell me to contribute more than what I already done, and what I do actually with all of the new entries for DLW!!! *mad*

[DooMAD]

Sorry Jive, but DLW doesn't grant you a right to complain about the development of the port. Plenty of people put time and effort into Legacy projects, but unless you are working on the port itself, there's no point in complaining about it. It won't get done any faster just because people bitch about it.

[Planky]

Darkwolf, stop attacking Jive. The fact remains that Legacy will take as long as it takes. Asides from whining about it, we can do nothing except wait. Leave it at that.

[MR_ROCKET]

Going by Jives first post up on the new Legacy, I think he just cant wait for it's next release like the rest of us, But we'v gotta lighten up a bit guys, I mean we all know Hurdlers been gone working at Ubisoft for like the past year and he's just got back- give him time to shift gears, as Smite said he's working on the netcode and Hurdlers working on the renderer..so I'd imagine after all the moving around, taking turns with code, the Doom blood sweat and tears, they would be more than happy to have it finished. Set 0' down, I think what would help in this matter is if Hurdler or Smite pop'd in from time to time and let us know whats up with its development, I geuss the TODO list has got needed update dust on it.

Anyhows, now Jive and Darkwolf, haven't you guys been like hang'n out Here in the same place for years now? I thought we were all friends by now? Wouldn't it be a little weird to start crap with each other now? lol
Well, I do fess up to shooting Danij666 with a spitball one time..Hey it was all good fun, I swear! - but that's besides the point. Just because my Text is bigger than yours..

How about we all just have a Doom Legacy shaped beer while we wait for it's release?
that and talk about how cool we are an stuff, well starting with me of course.*grin*

[Aliotroph?]

Exactly what shape is DooM Legacy and where do I get a beer in this shape? :D

[MR_ROCKET]

Beer (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=legacybeer19sc.png)

[LoxotroniX]

i think the developers should understand that if they cant do something for many years peoples will forget about this project*zzz*
soo i think we should forget about doomlegacy
and who is working on a project now?
only Planky *wacky* ?

[iori]

Yes. Only Planky.

[PumpkinSmasher]

and who is working on a project now?
only Planky *wacky* ?
This made me laugh.

[Rellik_jmd]

The problem with free projects is that you can't base your life around them for long. Sooner or later they have to be put aside at least a little, there's just no way around that. Take me for example. I used to maintain a manual, an editing site, not to mention DMN and Discharge, and all of it was fun at the time but life moves forward. There's different jobs to work at, people to spend time with, and now writing takes up a very large chunk of every day for me. That's the way it goes. I'd like to spend more time working on maps and projects, the manual, the review sites, and if days were 48 hours long and we all lived to be 200 years old I would be. :) I still show up here fairly regularily to pitch in where I can because I still care. If you care you'll always come back, you'll be patient, and the thing you care about will never die or disappear. It's only when you stop giving a shit that things get bad. Be patient, if it's meant to be it's meant to be, baby. If you really want results you'll offer encouragement to Spite and Hurdler, not knock them down. That'll only make it feel less worth it to keep going. Just have faith, do what you gotta do to keep your interest in the game, and be patient. That's the way life works, you wait for It, It don't wait for you. :)

[Danimetal]

That almost made me cry Rellik: the second half of your post are really wise words.
If you really want results you'll offer encouragement to Spite and Hurdler, not knock them down. That'll only make it feel less worth it to keep going. Just have faith, do what you gotta do to keep your interest in the game, and be patient. That's the way life works, you wait for It, It don't wait for you.

[shinobi]

What about some screenshots of the new renderer? *thumbs* just to make the wait more bearable?

Im pretty sure that would calm down some beasts in here :)

[DooMAD]

The CVS has been updated twice in three days, that's more than enough to prove that the developers are still working. For anyone who still thinks it's taking too long, read the entire On Compatibility thread (http://forums.newdoom.com/showthread.php?t=28605) and see the sheer volume of information that Smite and Hurdler have to contend with and keep under consideration while creating this new version.

[DOOM_GOAT]

i think the developers should understand that if they cant do something for many years peoples will forget about this project*zzz*
soo i think we should forget about doomlegacy

i think that members should understand that if they cant say anything useful within 12 posts peoples will forget about them*zzz*
soo i think we should forget about Loxo... thingy

[MR_ROCKET]

Yeah I agree, skip the blog and get back to Legacy stuff. :)

[Aliotroph?]

What about some screenshots of the new renderer? *thumbs* just to make the wait more bearable?

Im pretty sure that would calm down some beasts in here :)

There are some screens of it floating around in one of the developement threads. You're welcome to go digging, because I'm much too lazy to do it. :)

Last screen we saw was rendering everything in rainbow-coloured polygons that showed off how the nodes were working. Was pretty in a psychodelic way. :D

[Pate]

Last screen we saw was rendering everything in rainbow-coloured polygons that showed off how the nodes were working.

Don't forget the all pink startup screen.

[Danimetal]

Don't forget the all pink startup screen.
Never saw that one but I do remember the white and black boxes like a chess square.

[Aliotroph?]

I think I also remember a black one that would only draw the console.

[LoxotroniX]

so.... now is 17 january ill back in february and i think there will be no new versions here... i am right? *zzz*
ok you all can forget about me i am a little fucking developer ghost who is try to find working staff in their brains *wacky*

[rustyslacker]

uh...what?

[Sporb]

so.... now is 17 january ill back in february and i think there will be no new versions here... i am right? *zzz*
ok you all can forget about me i am a little fucking developer ghost who is try to find working staff in their brains *wacky*

Damn - must you Rag on every open source project known to man?