Cathedral-style WAD

[lucius octavion]

Hello! I have made a somewhat good legacy WAD that contains 3 maps. The third is a secret level. The second map is the best because the other 2 dont have that good architecture, but are still very fun to play.

Download it here: http://www.olddoom.com/featured/gllegacy_cathedral.zip

PLEASE read the "read me" file first or you wont understand the storyline. It contains important info on the WAD too.

Aslo, please tell me what you think because I may redetail it and get ideas for more WADs. *grin*

[Planky]

screenshots?

[lucius octavion]

First of all, how do I post screenshots with that [img]xxx[img] thing?

In this situation, even If i did there are too many good ones to post so maybe I'll E-Mail them to you in a word document.

[lucius octavion]

You should just READ the 'read me', play the WAD. The Some of the architecture actually looks pretty decent, especially in map 02 if you play the whole thing. There really isnt a need for screenshots.

[Planky]

You upload the images and put the link between the img tags.

If it looks interesting I'll play it, but I wont play a wad just based on wad the author says in the readme.

In this case I'll make an exception and download it and try it :)

[lucius octavion]

Shots for Map 01:

1 (http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=map012el.jpg)
2 (http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=map0122pl.jpg)

Shots for Map 02:

1 (http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4480/map028rv.jpg)
2 (http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/619/map0228dp.jpg)
3 (http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/5474/map0232ga.jpg)
4 (http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/473/map0249pm.jpg)
5 (http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/111/map0256mc.jpg)
6 (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2784/map0262bi.jpg)
7 (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9611/map0273fs.jpg)
8 (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4048/map0282gj.jpg)
9 (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6548/map0296zz.jpg)
10 (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2998/finishedoracle6ej.jpg)
11 (http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/4640/fireknight32se.jpg)

I will not include any shots of the secret level.

Note: all but two of these images was taken with "no monsters" mode

[lucius octavion]

Is that enough screenshots or do you want more? I'll put more up if you want. :)

[ace]

No, I think that's enough for me. My only gripe with it is some of the textures aren't aligned, although that's probably because I spend alot of time aligning every texture of mine exactly. What can I say? I'm picky. :p

Other than that, they look very cool. Also, please don't double post. Seriously. You don't want the kittens to die, do you? ;)

[lucius octavion]

No, I think that's enough for me. My only gripe with it is some of the textures aren't aligned, although that's probably because I spend alot of time aligning every texture of mine exactly. What can I say? I'm picky. :p

Other than that, they look very cool. Also, please don't double post. Seriously. You don't want the kittens to die, do you? ;)

Thank you. *l7*
Note: (i'm not making this up) in these particular shots, all the missaligned textures were done purposely. I think they look cool. Example: shot 2 for map 1

Does this mean you'll play the WAD?

[The Undertaker]

Nah, it just looks like the mason was drunk when laying down those bricks.

[lucius octavion]

Nah, it just looks like the mason was drunk when laying down those bricks.

Anyway, I think it looks cool. And if you don't like it, just fix it yourself. *cool*
What do you think about the other shots?

[ace]

The other shots are excellent. Although as for the purposely misaligned stairs, I don't prefer them, and while I think it would look better aligned, that won't keep me from playing it... once I get Legacy installed again. :p

[Planky]

I think it played relatively well, my main gripe is the lack of ammo (I ended up ditching some of the fights inorder to keep myself alive, fisting revenants isnt always fun, heh).

Also, I dont think this is necessary:

http://pages.quicksilver.net.nz/druids/bigarrow.jpg

If I were you, I would make the passage that the arrow is pointing at a little more obvious (eg add some pillar, etc)

[+Acyclitor+]

its a good starting point. i can see the formative ideas and inspirations. keep working and you'll make some good stuff.

[lucius octavion]

its a good starting point. i can see the formative ideas and inspirations. keep working and you'll make some good stuff.

Well, what exactly do you think is lacking? Map 02 in my opinion is superior to map 01. There is much better level design, in my opinion. The music is great isn't it (Symphony X) ? Symphony X site (http://www.symphonyx.com)

I thought there was plenty of ammo In map01, If you know where to go. *shades*
Also, has anyone played map02 or the secret level?

[Planky]

Yes, I played the second level and the secret level (as I couldnt find the exit to map02... I probably walked straight passed it).

I thought there was plenty of ammo In map01, If you know where to go

Yes, thats because you made the map - so it's easy for you. Others dont have that luxury :)

[lucius octavion]

So what did you think of map 02? Better than map 01?
Well, I tell you that you have to look behind gravestones to unlock the center door in the last part of map 02. Also, the exit of map 02 is... well I'm not sure you want to know, you see... well nevermind. (quote: guy from doom 3)

To find the exit to map 2 you need to shoot many demon stars and switches behind gravestones.

[striderdm1]

hey lucius. just downloaded and really like. first map was better than i thought after reading the thread here. Though Planky was right about the arrow on the floor.. dont like things like this. But all in all pretty good. As u say though, map 2 is far far better.
Good work overall, hope u make more. cheers :)

[lucius octavion]

So what do you think of the music?
BTW: thanks! This is my first WAD

[Planky]

heh, I play doom with the music disabled

[lucius octavion]

Well, this music is pretty good, and adds a lot of charachter to the levels. (twilight cathedral church of the machine)

[lucius octavion]

Hey, did anyone see the boss in the secret level? I thought I did a pretty cool job on it. But its funny! *bliss*

[lucius octavion]

EDIT: The Map 01 and secret level architechture isn't as good as map 02. 02 is pretty good. The other
2 are decent.

[Danimetal]

I played all three of them... They´re fun to play, specially map02 and map03 since map01 is a little simplistic and chaotic (and there´s plenty of ammo to go in a rampage and kill every single thing without aiming :P).

The boss on the secret level, may it be that hitlerian cyborg?. I killed it with a few BFG shots hehe... Anyway, on to the point, map02 is, by far, the best of them. There are texture issues here and there and some areas look quite bare, but it´s real fun. The Legacy stuff is little used, I mean, there are only a few 3d floors, some water and I think that some scripts are also present. I think you could work a little bit more on the ambience and appearance of the halls as well as on the scripts to make it more inmersive and better :).

My biggest complain is that there are not many height changes, I mean, when you walk around you see almost all floors at the same height, it´s a bit Wolfensteinish.

The part I liked the most was getting out of the Cathedral in Map02 when I found an opened gate leading to an open-air area with columns ornamented with 3d floors.

I don´t know why, but I didn´t got any music.

[lucius octavion]

Hmm, I dont know why you wouldn't get music. Try opening the WAD in XWE and see if the mus lumps
are there. I highly doubt it, but if they are some other kind of file (midi), change it with midi2mus.

Also, where in particular is it too bare?
BTW, thanks for your feedback.

[Danimetal]

Not at all :). It´s good to see people map for Legacy.

About bareness... For example, there´s a room with two vending machines near to the red door in map02. If I remember there´s nothing in that room but some book shelves... Why not putting some pillars, a table, some 3d chairs and stuff like that in?.

Oh!. Also, I think it´s map 03, but when it starts you´re in an area for a long time hearing someone talking backwards. Well, you could use some FraggleScript cameras there to make it less boring, I mean, players tend to try to scape the square they´re in. You could use a camera to show some parts of the map while the voice is heard.

[rustyslacker]

Dude, lucius, plz stop with the triple-posting.

[lucius octavion]

AHA! I dont triple post anymore!

[Rellik_jmd]

The posts are a long time apart, they're fine.

[rustyslacker]

oh right. whatever.


it's still a triple post to me.

[The Undertaker]

He's saying that since they're a couple days apart you couldn't have edited even if you wanted to. Remember to put your tinfoil hat on when around Rellik.

[lucius octavion]

Another reason is if you edit, people can't tell whether you updated or not.

[Danimetal]

This thread seems to be continuosly updated so.

[lucius octavion]

What's your point Danimetal? Did anyone get the music to work yet?

Also I am getting better at mapping now! I am more interested in modding now so I am making a mod
for jdoom (hope you guys are'nt against me for that) called Lost City II.

[Danimetal]

Nah, I meant that there were many posts for this single wad thread so it´s continously updated XD!.

I am making a mod
for jdoom (hope you guys are'nt against me for that) called Lost City II.
Why would anyone get against you?. Aren´t we port friendly?. I would look for a Symphony X quote to represent that, but I´m too lazy now!.

[lucius octavion]

LOL! I can think of one.

Jdoom, Legacy, Zdoom, Vavoom, Risen3D.

Symphony X:

"Five align... It draws the final line between what is now and what should never be..." " When five join as one..."

Another one:

"Tempted by an ancient magic, the power of Five!"

"Theres no force greater dividing the fathers of Doom!"

Can you guess why Symphony X uses the word five so much? It is because the name of that album is called "five", but I have no Idea.

Lol, danimetal that cheered me up. You know my avatar basically says that I like symphony x.

[Aliotroph?]

Here's what I thought about each level in the order I played in:

map01: Nice gameplay -- classic DooMing. No real challenge if you find the weapons cache at the start. Textures were scary bad though. Lots of stuff misaligned and just plain mismached. Doors look kinda bleaghish when the tracks move too, especially if it's a secret door that doesn't have tracks.

map03: First part of this wasn't impressive to look at and there wasn't much to do. The last part was cool though. Only thing I'd have done differently is to make a custom version of the swastika texture and use that instead of having to stick the bricks everywhere. Then the hanging banners could also look like actual banners, more like the Heretic/HeXen ones in map02.

map02: Best looking map yet. Certain parts still had REALLY scary textures (eg. the bit with the cyberdemon). I liked the use of the transparent windows (despite Legacy making a mess of them in GL). This was the first map that presented a challenge playing on UV.

Map02 was big enough to be a couple maps. I noticed the second half of it looked a lot better than the first half. Might be worth going through the other parts and bringing them more up to that level. The 3D graveyard bits were interesting. That room with the green symbol thing was sweet! The gradiant lights in the tunnels were awesome. I don't think I've ever been so impressed with simple gradiant lights in DooM. It's worth noting that the pitch black parts of a tunnel shouldn't have torches hanging there that are lit...

The sounds were cool. I loved the SSG sounds, the demon sounds, the squish sound, etc. New door sounds would have been good though.

I didn't care about the music. I hate metal in games and I think metal sounds like crap in MIDI (even with my fancy XG synth) but I can see why you chose it, esp. for map02.

Suggestions for the future (these maps or any other similar):

more height changes like the later parts of map02
more 3D stuff (again like map02)
moving doortraks are bleaghish
doors that move up MUST be aligned horizontally...
gradient halls are neato
That Wolf3D library place is strange looking
tech textures don't mix well with gothic textures
way more texture alignment
Try adding a wave to the hanging banners, would look much cooler
the vending machine effect was cool but they looked out of place


That's all for now. It's too late to write more and I need to go read history. Map more. :D

[lucius octavion]

Here's what I thought about each level in the order I played in:

map01: Nice gameplay -- classic DooMing. No real challenge if you find the weapons cache at the start. Textures were scary bad though. Lots of stuff misaligned and just plain mismached. Doors look kinda bleaghish when the tracks move too, especially if it's a secret door that doesn't have tracks.

map03: First part of this wasn't impressive to look at and there wasn't much to do. The last part was cool though. Only thing I'd have done differently is to make a custom version of the swastika texture and use that instead of having to stick the bricks everywhere. Then the hanging banners could also look like actual banners, more like the Heretic/HeXen ones in map02.

map02: Best looking map yet. Certain parts still had REALLY scary textures (eg. the bit with the cyberdemon). I liked the use of the transparent windows (despite Legacy making a mess of them in GL). This was the first map that presented a challenge playing on UV.

Map02 was big enough to be a couple maps. I noticed the second half of it looked a lot better than the first half. Might be worth going through the other parts and bringing them more up to that level. The 3D graveyard bits were interesting. That room with the green symbol thing was sweet! The gradiant lights in the tunnels were awesome. I don't think I've ever been so impressed with simple gradiant lights in DooM. It's worth noting that the pitch black parts of a tunnel shouldn't have torches hanging there that are lit...

The sounds were cool. I loved the SSG sounds, the demon sounds, the squish sound, etc. New door sounds would have been good though.

I didn't care about the music. I hate metal in games and I think metal sounds like crap in MIDI (even with my fancy XG synth) but I can see why you chose it, esp. for map02.

Suggestions for the future (these maps or any other similar):

more height changes like the later parts of map02
more 3D stuff (again like map02)
moving doortraks are bleaghish
doors that move up MUST be aligned horizontally...
gradient halls are neato
That Wolf3D library place is strange looking
tech textures don't mix well with gothic textures
way more texture alignment
Try adding a wave to the hanging banners, would look much cooler
the vending machine effect was cool but they looked out of place


That's all for now. It's too late to write more and I need to go read history. Map more. :D

Well, map 02's music isn't metal at all really. But I see how map 01 sounds like crap. Map 02 sounds great, in my opinion. Go to the Symphony X site. Its cool to hear the real music. Map 01: Fallen map 02: Church of the machine

[Aliotroph?]

Wow, you quoted my massive post just to mention the music. Crazy.

I could only find Church of the Machine on their page. I guess it does fit the huge massacre in map02.

[Danimetal]

Hehe, don´t let him drag you into them!!!. Symphony X were just like a drug for me, I couldn´t stop listening to them!.

[lucius octavion]

Danimetal, what albums do you have?

[Danimetal]

Errr... All of them. From the first Symphony X to the Oddysey.

[lucius octavion]

Hey. Spread the word.. we should start a symphony x thread. You do it if you have the time because I don't right now. I will if you don't do it soon, because this is getting a little off topic.

BTW, danimetal what is your favorite album overall? I think mine is V, the New Mythology Suite.

Also, have you listened to Michael Pinella's "Enter by the Twelfth Gate"?

Answer in other thread.

[Aliotroph?]

Well, in that case I hope you started that thread in rants or in the music forum if there still is one. :p

[lucius octavion]

Of course I would. I'm not stupid anymore... :)