whatt happened to the masterminds?!?!?!

[ultimatesaiyan605]

about a month before D]|[ came out, on planetdoom.com, they had a picture of a mastermind. now, there is no mastermind!!! what happened!!!!

[DoomedAce]

Come to think of it, yeah... I did see a pic of the Spiderdemon some time ago. Hmm.. Well, possible explanations could be:
1. It was a screenshot of the game in an early stage released by ID, or
2. It came from the *fill-in-forbidden-word* version.
I don't know whether it was official or not.

[ultimatesaiyan605]

heh, i think it might have been to much of a badass to put in the game, lmao

[edorien]

Released about the same time as the game was announced

[Doom_Dude]

Expansion Packs...... they had to save a few things for teh expansions. Mastermind could be end boss in expansion #1. :)

[Wicked Anime Kid]

That would be saweet, seeing it being all d3 style would rock.
I seriously hope they'll make it tougher then the original d3 end boss though

[TheVoid]

Good Lord PLEASE ID!!! READ THIS!!! MAKE ALL ENDING BOSSES HARD!

HARD!
Do you hear me?!?!?! HARD!!!!!

I dont want a Sarge that i can beat before even fully seeing him!
I dont want a Cyberdemon that i can beat while knitting!
I want a boss that i hear coming and i tremble, knowing that its very likely that he's going to kick my ass.

[jls23]

Yeah like in E2M8, when you fired off a shot, you would hear the cyberdemon roar, and you would think to yourself, OH SHIT IT'S COMING.

[TheVoid]

off in the distance:
*sha-clump... sha-clump... sha-clump"

oh the fear!!!!

[jls23]

Then you hear the ominous, "POOFWAH", and you turn around, OH SHIT!!!

[TheVoid]

see, thats what i'm talking about.

that boss was MEMORABLE. It gave people NIGHTMARES. Not because it was particularly ugly or gross or whatever. It was because it was EVIL.

This one looks like a goddamn dinosaur.

[Scarekrowe]

I seen that picture of the SpiderMastermind, I really don't think it was a screenshot. Either way, I never really like the SpiderMastermind... it just didn't seem very demonic... at all. Same for the little ones who's names I never spell right or say right.

[Doom_Dude]

You mean teh Arachnotrons? I think those are pretty cool. :)

[Scarekrowe]

Yeah, I always butcher their names so bad people don't even know what I'm talking about. They're cool they just aren't demonic at all. I think they'd kinda take away from the game unless they did a lot to change them (I mean changed them as much as they changed the HellKnight which is... totally changed them). They didn't really take away from Classic Doom because there was really no story or plot. Yeah there was a story but it was more like an afterthought of the game but Doom3 is a story so adding a brain with metal legs would just kinda pull away from the demon idea and seem more like an alien.

[jls23]

Maybe it's COMPLETELY made of brain matter, and with each step it hurts its own brain. Kinda like the Mainliners in the suffering, except with brains.

[Scarekrowe]

Yeah, that's what I always thought, that it's just a brain with a face but it took the spiderlegs so it could walk. A big brain is not something that seems demonic to me.

[devilofdoom]

I saw something that looked like a mastermind on the devaloper interveiws that come with the doom collectors edition.

[DoomedAce]

Yeah, that's what I always thought, that it's just a brain with a face but it took the spiderlegs so it could walk. A big brain is not something that seems demonic to me.

Maybe it's not very demonic, but I bet you wouldn't dare to stand directly in front of it for 5 seconds. Not that you'd survive that long, anyway :p.

[SgtMagor]

wasn't the Mastermind behind the demon invasion in Doom?, always wondered why id gave the Mastermind a super chaingun, and the trons plasma rifles, seems like it should have been the other way but heh it was kewl none the less :)...

[Doom2Hell]

wasn't the Mastermind behind the demon invasion in Doom?, always wondered why id gave the Mastermind a super chaingun, and the trons plasma rifles, seems like it should have been the other way but heh it was kewl none the less :)...

whats easier to dodge? slow moving plasma? or instantaneous super chaingunfire?

i used ot love fighting the 2 masterminds at the end, when you ran accross in front of them youd see little puffs of smoke from the spray of bullets all around you

[ultimatesaiyan605]

i always thought that all the demons evolved. like when a demon turns into a goat andstands on his hind legs while standing in toxic gooze for an hour(thus creating the plasma stuff).

or the "Crack"odemons grow arms and become Pain"-in-the-@$$-"Elemental, live for a few years, go to thescrap heap or steal an arachnotrons legs, repair them, and use them for themselves.

and dont forget the hellknights. they get their leg chopped off, get it replaced with some wires and steel, weld a rocket launcher onto thier left hand, work out for 30 years strait, and taa-daa. we have a cyberdemon.

then pistol zombies murder the shotgun guys, get a haircut, steal he armor, take thier shotgun, and become a shotgun zombie.
and shotgun zombies go around after whoever played DOOM and steals the chainguns that are left behind. then come to earth, eat a few hundered double quarter punders, then we have a chingun zombie.

the things i come up with, lol

[jls23]

Yeah and I guess the hell-knights also turn brown and grow longer horns, and grow like 10 ft taller. And then the pain elementals turn into brains, and sprout another eye. And the cacos retract all but two of their horns, turn brown, their eyed beging to glow red/brown, and their horns turn black. Not to ridicule your opinion, but those would be the details you left out, if that was right.

[Salty Sam]

Hey, I saw a screenshot before Doom 3 was released that the Cacodemons were supposed to look exactly like the Classic Doom versions. So, what happened to THEM? I know they are still in Doom 3, but they don't look like the Classic Doom versions anymore!

[Wrath]

yea, thats one monster in doom3 which i thorhgt was a terrible remake. the original cacodemon owned the stupid flying blimp, dinosaur heads of d3.

Anyways, i was jsut thinking, me being the d3 loving kinda person like all of you, that there is something wrong with the revenant. Playing d3 i got the feeling of really evil, demon, satanic hell stuff, but i just think the idea of a skeleton (which is great) but with rocket shoulders like the original kinda seems outta place. But never-the-less for doom veterans like myself it fitted in fine, although to people new to doom it may think its a bit strange. jsut a thorght *thumbs*

[devilofdoom]

Hey, I saw a screenshot before Doom 3 was released that the Cacodemons were supposed to look exactly like the Classic Doom versions. So, what happened to THEM? I know they are still in Doom 3, but they don't look like the Classic Doom versions anymore!

The avatar im useing at the moment looks a bit better than the old cacodemon. But You can tell its not doom 3 by looking at the background.

[Wrath]

The avatar im useing at the moment looks a bit better than the old cacodemon. But You can tell its not doom 3 by looking at the background.

and its crappiness (compared to doom3 standards *wacky* )

hey im a kiwi too *thumbs*

[FATAL]

i used ot love fighting the 2 masterminds at the end

2 masterminds? I thought that there's only one.

[devilofdoom]

2 masterminds? I thought that there's only one.

There is only one. Even in ultra voilence.

[jls23]

Either he got cacos and masterminds confused, or there are two in nightmare. Or maybe he thinks we are talking about final doom. Who knows. Or maybe he means the two at the ends of episodes 3 and 4.

[FATAL]

Ultimate doom, bah!

I've always liked the original better. Did you know that in E1M1 there isn't a button to open the wall to get outside in the very start of the map in original doom?

[jls23]

No, actually.

[ultimatesaiyan605]

Ultimate doom, bah!

I've always liked the original better. Did you know that in E1M1 there isn't a button to open the wall to get outside in the very start of the map in original doom?


yes there is. when you first start, take that FIRST left into the room where the staircase is. murder the demons in that room. go down the staircase, and search the grey pillars for a button(looking into room=on the right. looking oout of the room is on the left). press the green button, and run to almost the start of the level. the part of the wall will open, almost right in front of the starting point.

[DoomedAce]

I think Fatal knows that. He means there wasn't a button to open the outer wall in the original (shareware) version. But that there is one in the Ultimate Doom, a later version.

[FATAL]

No, I'm talking about the very original doom, which has three episodes, and no idfa -cheat.

I like to think it between the shareware doom and ultimate doom.

[Jonny]

I want a boss that i hear coming and i tremble, knowing that its very likely that he's going to kick my ass.

that takes me back to Diablo in Diablo II. man... you were shitting your pants 30 mins out from fighting him...

[jls23]

Oh no... DIABLO FANS! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

[Jonny]

and its crappiness (compared to doom3 standards *wacky* )

hey im a kiwi too *thumbs*

whoa. me three! *wave*

anyway, the new caco is lame. the big dumb thing just flies at you... it doesnt shoot much. 2 shotgun blasts and thats that, they used to take a hell of a beating.

man i just realised i have FORTY THREE grenades to burn. i dont really like the feel they have, but im pretty sure i read about a mod called 'easy grenade' that ill have to pick up... im guessing it assigns grenade to a right click or something?

[jls23]

No, it doesn't. I don't remember what it does exactly, though.

But I love that when you doge a caco that lunges at you, if there was a wall behind you it hits the wall! :D

[Jonny]

oh hell yes, they are so clumsy. make finding airlocks a pain in the ass too!

[Scarekrowe]

I thought they were a little too easy to beat too. I liked how when you did shoot them with a shotgun, they'd fly backwards. I never really used the shotgun, I always used the plasmagun, just like I do in classic doom lol. I also noticed that Cacodemons also naturally attack Hellknights just like in Classic Doom (at least they did everytime I had two together). I love getting Imps and Hellknights to fight too.

[Jonny]

Oh no... DIABLO FANS! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

awww man, why the hate?

[devilofdoom]

and its crappiness (compared to doom3 standards *wacky* )

hey im a kiwi too *thumbs*

What about this avatar? Thats what the mastermind was ment to look like. I found that image on the doom 3 preveiw cd that came with doom collectors edition.

[ViewMySonic]

i agree wit u guys on the lame cacos, and i think as far as the hell knight goes, it should have some contrast in it, so it doesnt just look like an over-sized imp. given, the goat legs wouldnt do in d3, but it SHOULD be a little more unique from the imp. *winkness*

[CyberdemonZ]

I remember MAP20 of DOOM2, when the SM and Cybie got in a crossfire, i remeber the time when the cybie won and I got my ass kicked!

[jls23]

You did? all i did was wait for them to duke it out, then the one who won (who was usually the cybie) I would kill with 3 or 4 rocket blasts.

[RiptoR]

http://www.planetdoom.com/images/image.asp?screenshots/legacy/2.jpg

This screen? If so, looks like concept art rather than an actual ingame shot.



PS:
http://www.planetdoom.com/images/image.asp?screenshots/legacy/6.jpg
http://www.planetdoom.com/images/image.asp?screenshots/legacy/8.jpg
http://www.planetdoom.com/images/image.asp?screenshots/macexpo/demon2.jpg
http://www.planetdoom.com/images/image.asp?screenshots/macexpo/demon3.jpg

Which creature is this? Or what did it become in the final version of D3?
Looks more frightening then the actual game though, more movie-like.

[SgtMagor]

hmm, i thought it was the Baron.

[Maelstrom]

you should be one the mastermind's team, thats what I did, the mastermind firing at the cyberdemon coop with my plasma blasts

[Chameleon]

You mean teh Arachnotrons? I think those are pretty cool. :)

Cool? They are cute! Just u saw into their eyes?
Big, blue and shiny eyes! Looks like an anime guy when crying, or a lil' cute anime animal!

Sorry 4 dah badddyy inglish
Cham~

[devilofdoom]

Same for the little ones who's names I never spell right or say right.

I could never spell mancubeus right. I proberly diden't spell it right just then either.