Are You Ready To Rock Doom III Style?

[Doom_Dude]

Hey answer the poll! Anyhow I'm not ready yet but I'm getting ready. ;)

[Looney]

For those about to Rock... We salute you!
Ready for it to hit the shelf with pre order in hand. :D

[Doom_Dude]

For those about to Rock... We salute you!
Ready for it to hit the shelf with pre order in hand. :D

/me cranks AC DC while waiting for Doom III....

Hmmmmm the pre-order thinghy, might need anouther poll for that. Hahahahahahaha ;)

[Looney]

HEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE When I got mine they told me that they will get 5 to 6 copies over what is pre ordered for the shelf. So, it thats the case at all Best Buys.... I'm really glad I got mine so I know I will get a copy when others are wishing they had. :D

[Doom_Dude]

They have a lot of pre-orders here. Since I've bought mine the same store has had pre-order boxes on the shelf. ;)

[Dirty_Fly]

ill only pre oder mine a week before

if and when it comes out ill probally slide a extra buck or two under the counter for the "so called limited edition"!

PS:ive been ready to rock for almost a year now!

[Teflon]

ill only pre oder mine a week before

Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of a pre order?

I'll be ready...to look at all the info and pictures coming out when it's released. I'm too much of a wuss to play horror games like Doom 3. I'll stay with Doom 1 and 2, thank you. :P

[dd_133]

I AM READY TO ROCK!

Well maybe not fully, but I got a reliable machine and it will run doom3. :D

[Deathgiver]

Hell Yeah, bring on the Hellspawn!

[eX_Do0mY]

I'm going to wait until after the release, to see if my current computer will run it fine. I'm not going be able to build the monster of a machine that I posted in R&R till next year.

[Tyberious]

ready to rock, well its going to be hard playing the game at night (thats the best time), especially when you develop that paranoia of demons following you to your room in the dark. *crazy*

[Looney]

I plan on only playing after dark. :D

[Doom_Dude]

I plan on playing in the pale moonlight. On the weekend I might end up playing all bloody Saturday or somethin. Depending on when that ride to Mars comes in. :D

[Looney]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA My house is to bright during day :( I pray for a cloudy rainy weekend when it does come out. :D

[Doom_Dude]

Thats why its good to have the olde comp in the basement. If it's too bright I just close the blinds on two small window jobbies. :D

It might be snowing by the time we get D3. ;)

[Looney]

If It's snowing it won't bother me, it will be getting dark early. The comps in the basment won't run D3, But, yeah it takes shades drawn 3 blankets per window to get it dark enough to play any game during the day. I have two big picture windows in the front room dinning room area facing south, the comp room is also open to this area on the north side.

[Doom_Dude]

You need the Cone Of Darkness like Maxwell Smart has the Cone Of Silence. :D

[FATAL]

I'm ready to rock, but too bad that there aren't any true pre-order thingys in Finland, or there might be just one store, but I'm not too sure about that.

[Ninja_of_DooM]

No way man. I can't paly on this rig. It's totally out of date.:( My ATi Radeon 8500 just won't do it.

[ARMYguy]

I have 6 computers that can all play doom 3, 3 of them can play it perfectly, my personal one, insanely. I R READY ! lol

[Tyberious]

No way man. I can't paly on this rig. It's totally out of date.:( My ATi Radeon 8500 just won't do it.

the 8500 has better technical specs, also I am sure updating the drivers will help so graphics wise you should be in the "ok" range if not better with its 4x2 pipeline, if its a 64mb LE edition then there might be some problems but then again it shouldn't be any worse then a geforce 3 but it depends on if you have atleast 256MB of ram and a 1Ghz cpu, if so then you will be somewhat taken care of.

[TheVoid]

just upgraded to DDR400 and a P4 3.0E

I run almost all UT2004 maps at a solid 85fps online, which is the online capped frame rate.

READY TO ROLL!!! LETS DO IT!

[ARMYguy]

Should have stayed away from the E, the more cache doesnt seem to help the longer instruction set.. ( slower than the c model, and because you didnt even get the 3.4, even worse. ) They dont recommend buying prescott core until it hits 4 ghz and beyond because only then will the longer instruction set not bog it down....

[Tyberious]

yeah, you should take a look at teh 3.8Ghz celerons, from what I heard, they are pretty fast (since tehy are on a prescott core although its a bit casterated). Although those are reserved for the socket 775 but what the hey, it will make granny's internet experience better right? j/k :p

seriously, I believe the prescott it going to be a good thing at 3.7-4.0+ I am almost convinced to get one but I am going to hang onto my machine for a little while longer.

[The Undertaker]

But don't take our word, look (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-d.html) for yourself. Almost as fast as a P4 3.2 and under a $100. And I'm sure more ambitious overclockers can go even further. Though I've heard the Celeron-M is a big overclocker too.

[Tyberious]

wow, I wonder how overclockable the prescotts are, if get one then I better have some monster cooling, maybe zalmans 7000cu or some water cooling.

[ARMYguy]

I read Intel is only gonna be with Prescott core up to 4 ghz, then they will move to dual cores and other stuff... ( less mhz but dual cores cause heat was a huge problem with tejas )

[Dracamyl]

I'd say my system can probably handle it well, but I need to get a real soundcard since my onboard sound lags me sometimes.

[FATAL]

Wooo, there is a shop that has pre-order services in Finland too! It works a bit different from what you fellas have. I don't get any cheesy pre-order boxes or any cool DooM figures. All I get is an E-mail to notify me when I can pick the game from the store. NOW, I'm all set for DooM ]I[...

...If it's released on cds, which I really doubt, since Farcry was released only as a dvd. Luckily I have a plan for that also, and I'm planning to buy a good dvd+-rw. My budget only lacks 35€ to get it all ready. Boy am I happy now!

[Wicked Anime Kid]

Locked and loaded, ready to rock&roll!!

[Deathgiver]

...If it's released on cds, which I really doubt, since Farcry was released only as a dvd. Luckily I have a plan for that also, and I'm planning to buy a good dvd+-rw. My budget only lacks 35€ to get it all ready. Boy am I happy now!

Here in the US I hear it's only going to be on CD. I don't know about elsewhere tho.

[eX_Do0mY]

wow, I wonder how overclockable the prescotts are, if get one then I better have some monster cooling, maybe zalmans 7000cu or some water cooling.

Better get some decent cooling, I hear that Prescott's run pretty hot.

[Tyberious]

oh yeah they do, some at about 105 watts of heat. Thats enough to cook anything you want fast enough unless the processor burns its self out. Besides if I got a prescott then i would get the D0 stepping which says to have thermal enhancements which makes the processor cooler or so they say.

[Doom_Dude]

...If it's released on cds, which I really doubt, since Farcry was released only as a dvd. Luckily I have a plan for that also, and I'm planning to buy a good dvd+-rw. My budget only lacks 35€ to get it all ready. Boy am I happy now!

I bought Far Cry on CD here in Canada and I've not seen it on DVD at all. I bet Doom III will come out on both CD and DVD....

[FATAL]

Maybe, Doom Dude, but the case is a bit different here in cold northlands. We usually get only one type of release; cd or dvd, but anyways I'm buying a dvd burner, so it doesn't really matter me.

[Doom_Dude]

Yeah it doesn't matter to me either as Im getting a DVD burner as well.. Need one before Doom III comes out let alone when it does come out. ;)

[eX_Do0mY]

W00t. Just got $200. Time to go buy that K8V Deluxe.

[Tyberious]

well maybe in that area fatal its more cost effective since most people have dvdroms. In marketing they would not undercut their own product if most people down there had generic cd roms. Maybe thats why.

[CyberG]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA My house is to bright during day I pray for a cloudy rainy weekend when it does come out.

My room has only one light source, is small and dark if the lamp isin't on, even in the day time, so it wouldn't matter what time it is here to play it. :)

I'm also glad I pre-ordered a copy.

[Doomaniac135]

ill be crankin hells bells on the way to best buy

i just built a new machine

[Doom_Dude]

ill be crankin hells bells on the way to best buy

i just built a new machine

Coolness I'm working on building a new system. Just trying to make up my mind on stuff. :D

[Tyberious]

what I really need is some better speakers, a better cd-rw drive (I really want a combo drive that does it all.) and maybe a better power supply but that is all I need upgraded. Everything else is either just for style or tech envy but I am fine with my current situation. That doesn't mean I don't plan to upgrade though.

[ARMYguy]

man, even with my 3.4 ghz p4 Far Cry still lags a lot on very high everything... hmmm out with the crap 5900 ultra and in with the godlike 6800 ultra...

[Tyberious]

once again gaming means nothing. Kinda funny how someone with a pentium III 733Mhz, 64MB of shared ram, a host based sound card, a Geforce 3 graphics card, an 8GB hard drive and a big X carved into the small chassis of an Xbox can enjoy gaming better then some PC enthusiast with 10 times better specs. Sometimes we can learn something from consolers, if you can't have what you want then you have to love what you got. Its kinda a disapointment to see people complain about the stupidest things.

I run farcry with either NO AA or LOW AA on 1024x768 with very high everything and i am still satisfied with the game, I am too busy playing the damn game to notice the jaggies let alone the low resolution. People don't play a game to get into teh game, they play it just to benchmark and modify their PCs.

Funny how I have specs far less then these high cost enthusiasts and can enjoy games better then any of them because they are too busy complaining. Everyone is complaining, what ever happened "just playing the game", its like being rasist accept this idea is more adopted then its politically incorrect judgemental brother.

question. How long before we start bitching up a storm about 5 Ghz dual core processors some next generation that spanks nvidia's and ati's current generation cards?

frankly its annoying to see people complain about the stupidest things, its like listening to a child throw a tantrum.

I was browsing around some forums and I saw complaints like

Nvidia is stupid because I can't enable AntiAliasing on Farcry.

Farcry is crappy because its too hard and lags on my top of the line machine with settings that could cause a supercomputer with some extraterestial graphics card explode.

this game sucks because I can't enable a resolution of 1600x1200 or beyond with 8X AA and 16AF.

well I have to endure a lot worse then that and ya know what? I am happy! This is what happens when people get their way... they want more...


that has drug me down, how long before people start bashing DooM ]|[ because tehy can't stay at 60FPS all the time? Pathetic...

[ARMYguy]

I just dont like how it lags in some places to a point where its UNPLAYABLE !!! i cant enjoy a game when its UNPLAYABLE !!! lol that is why i get new parts... i dont like games to lag at a point when its UNPLAYABLE, meaning such low fps so that i cant even move the mouse to aim at something....

[Looney]

Heh I can remeber one game I played..eeerrr Tryed to play on a beefed up DX50, (Beefed up DX50 :D ROFL can you imagin) not but 5 years ago, and hated the frame rate and the game was Unpayable. Then, I got to play it on a 133, game played great, but it didn't help the game... :p No, I won't tell you what game, I'll get egged, :D hahahhha But, You both have valid points and one will not change the other. I know what Tyberious is feeling because some people are exactly how he discribes But, as Amyguy says, a game that is not Playable is not fun at all.

[Tyberious]

by the way I failed to note, I wasn't griping about you. Just some retarded posts I saw. Sometimes I wonder if they either created a new drug, some of these people drank too much or if they are really that stupid. These people say "oh so and so game sucks because its slow on my computer". Yeah well that should tell you that you need to UPGRADE, and stop playing command and conquer generals zero hour on your pentium 90... its just too pathetic. That reminds me.

my friends laptop specs are the following:

Intel Celeron 2.3Ghz (yeah I know!)
256MB of ram
Windows XP home
intel extreme graphics 845 chipset
and one slow @$$ 4200RPM hard drive 30GB.

now that you know the situation I will continue with my story...

well I installed generals on his computer like he requested after I optimized the living hell out of that thing and got rid of all the dell bloatware via formatting. He started complaining that generals sucks and taht the sims are better (he has every sims game made, I know, I tell em to get a life too). I told him that your laptop sucks and is woefully underpowered (I told him in a nice way) he started b*tching up a storm and yelled at me "WHY THE HELL SHOULD I HAVE TO UPGRADE!"

After I talked common sense into him he started saying he was going to upgrade hsi graphics card... man was he pissed at me when I told him it was soldered onto the board.

I am telling you there is no end to this... a lot of people need to contribute to the darwin awards because too many stupid people breeded together.

Man, you have no idea how many times someone told me "I am going to get 80 Gigs of memory!" I tell them its not possible, only 4 Gigs is the maximum unless you have a 64 bit processor, they yell at me saying I am an idiot and I finally find out that they are talking about the hard drive. It gets better... I tell them taht memory is not the same as a hard drive and they go off on me like I said something so politically incorrect that even some of the most satanic people wouldn't have dared to say what I have said. After asking them "are you a tech?" "who is working on your computer?" yeah thats what I thought I finally explain the difference after getting my arse chewed out by these people.

its funny really, but its so hard to deal with these people. When you apply games to this it gets even better. On that same laptop they tried to load Tomb Raider 4 Angel of darkness onto their computer and wondered why it didn't work...

well..... lets start with the basics....

ok you have Direct X 9.0B installed... that doesn't mean you have a 3D graphics card, and no that is not a graphics card, you can not download a graphics card..

second that game requires a graphics card that is recent (read: newer then your crappy graphics card). Not only does it require NEW graphics cards, it also requires (or recommends) a direct X 9.0B compliant card, yours barely meets DX7 let alone 9.0b

second... MORE RAM.... nuff said

third.... laggy a$$ hard drive.

forth.... really slow processor for that kind of game...


and they still don't get it. I try so hard and am so nice and explain things so simply and yet they act like this...

man, I have many stories and THAT is what drives me nuts. I can understand upgrading but if it doesn't work at high settings, then adapt to something lower until you can kick up some funds and enjoy the game.

This one guy who had such a terrible computer could barely play quake at the smallest window everything off, the worst quality and frames you ever seen and yet he loved it, he played it all the time. That my friends is a real gamer. You work with what you have and you have, what you work with.

that is what is missing these days, games are nothing more then a tech race. to get just a little mroe frames then the top guy, to be king of the hill, to waste more money on parts used for not even 2 to 3 months only for it to be swapped out. That is why I make sure I am greatful for what I have and just play the game for the game, not for the specs.


THAT was my point. I am sorry I did not explain it well enough, I apologize to armyguy that I did not put a disclaimer saying I was not yelling at him, it just happened to be a quincadince (SP?)


Hopefully that clears things up. So no hard feelings anyone.

[Doom_Dude]

I run farcry with either NO AA or LOW AA on 1024x768 with very high everything and i am still satisfied with the game, I am too busy playing the damn game to notice the jaggies let alone the low resolution. People don't play a game to get into teh game, they play it just to benchmark and modify their PCs.

Yeah. The only thing I must have when playing games now is NO Software mode.... I can't stand all the speckles and grainy spots. Ypu can blame that on me playing Quake II all the way through in software mode, using keyboard only controls then getting a VooDoo Banshee card and ending up amazed at how cool Quake II looked in GL with the new card and then figuring out how to mouse and keyboard at the sametime. Was a big eye opener that changed my gaming experience in a big way methinks. I've had very enjoyable times playing games on 800 X 600 or less and if it runs smooth then thats all I need and I don't care about benchmarks.... never ever took a benchmark and don't plan on starting. The first game I played that got any laggyness was Heretic II. I had a P166 at the time with a VooDoo Banshee and the game required a 200mhz cpu. I ended up waiting until building my AMD 850 before reinstalling and enjoying Heretic II. I think your right to that a lot of gamers tend to over analize what thier machines are doing instead of just enjoying the games they're playing. Yet theres one thing that I really don't get. Why is it that some will say a game is crap when it has dated graphis? I read things on other forums and such like, "that game sucks... it has Half-Life looking graphics". Soooo? In my opinion Half-Life was a cool looking game and still is. If some company put out a Quake engine game today and it was well designed, id be one of the first in line to buy it. If it wasn't for these older games we wouldn't have the graphic quality in games we have today. After saying that, there's nothing wrong with getting a new vid card or whatever to play any particular game that requires better than what you got. I bought my Radeon 8500 because I wanted to play Morrowind. ;) By the way this post isn't pointed at any particular person here, I just got into a mini-rant all by myself. :P

[Big_al]

I can't afford to upgrade, got a house to find and buy now *bug*

[SavageMessiah]

I totally agree with you Tyberious. It really pisses me off sometimes, all it seems to be about these days is performance performance performance. There's too many games that are all eye candy or all features or all whatever! What the hell happened to FUN? When's the last time you could just say, "that game was FUN"? (Well actually it was thief 3 for me, but...) And the video card manufacturers aren't helping either. I'm all for progress and all, but a new chipset every 6 months? Isn't that kinda excessive? I'm pining for the 486 and pentium plateaus of yesteryear. I hope that somewhere along here we run smack into the silicon performance barrier and it takes a good looong time for new tech to come out, give the industry a chance to settle down, give programmers a reason to optimize their games a bit.

As for stupid people, well, I fortunately don't have to deal with them much. Well, I deal with stupid people all the time, just not with computers. My friends are thankfully competent.

Heh, a little minirant from me as well. March of the minirants!

[Doom_Dude]

Well said SavageMessiah and I totally agree with you. The card pimps need to settle down!

[The Undertaker]

The problem is people are somehow impressed that you got 10000 points in 3dMark '03. Its like that magic number measures your manhood. I don't "play" 3dmark but maybe some people do just watch the Battle of Proxycon all day.
No, I won't tell you what game, I'll get egged
Would this game happen to be 4 letters with 2 round letters in the middle.

[Doomaniac135]

they put the wrong processor in my new machine but there putting an even more powerful procesor in it to make up for there mistake so im still gonna crank hells bells on the way to best buy

[Looney]

The problem is people are somehow impressed that you got 10000 points in 3dMark '03. Its like that magic number measures your manhood. I don't "play" 3dmark but maybe some people do just watch the Battle of Proxycon all day.

Would this game happen to be 4 letters with 2 round letters in the middle.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH Oh no, it wasn't DooM ;) Orig. Doom played fine on that comp, Heretic and Hexen played great as well. ;)

[Dirty_Fly]

by the way I failed to note, I wasn't griping about you. Just some retarded posts I saw. Sometimes I wonder if they either created a new drug, some of these people drank too much or if they are really that stupid. These people say "oh so and so game sucks because its slow on my computer". Yeah well that should tell you that you need to UPGRADE, and stop playing command and conquer generals zero hour on your pentium 90... its just too pathetic. That reminds me.

my friends laptop specs are the following:

Intel Celeron 2.3Ghz (yeah I know!)
256MB of ram
Windows XP home
intel extreme graphics 845 chipset
and one slow @$$ 4200RPM hard drive 30GB.

now that you know the situation I will continue with my story...

well I installed generals on his computer like he requested after I optimized the living hell out of that thing and got rid of all the dell bloatware via formatting. He started complaining that generals sucks and taht the sims are better (he has every sims game made, I know, I tell em to get a life too). I told him that your laptop sucks and is woefully underpowered (I told him in a nice way) he started b*tching up a storm and yelled at me "WHY THE HELL SHOULD I HAVE TO UPGRADE!"

After I talked common sense into him he started saying he was going to upgrade hsi graphics card... man was he pissed at me when I told him it was soldered onto the board.

I am telling you there is no end to this... a lot of people need to contribute to the darwin awards because too many stupid people breeded together.

Man, you have no idea how many times someone told me "I am going to get 80 Gigs of memory!" I tell them its not possible, only 4 Gigs is the maximum unless you have a 64 bit processor, they yell at me saying I am an idiot and I finally find out that they are talking about the hard drive. It gets better... I tell them taht memory is not the same as a hard drive and they go off on me like I said something so politically incorrect that even some of the most satanic people wouldn't have dared to say what I have said. After asking them "are you a tech?" "who is working on your computer?" yeah thats what I thought I finally explain the difference after getting my arse chewed out by these people.

its funny really, but its so hard to deal with these people. When you apply games to this it gets even better. On that same laptop they tried to load Tomb Raider 4 Angel of darkness onto their computer and wondered why it didn't work...

well..... lets start with the basics....

ok you have Direct X 9.0B installed... that doesn't mean you have a 3D graphics card, and no that is not a graphics card, you can not download a graphics card..

second that game requires a graphics card that is recent (read: newer then your crappy graphics card). Not only does it require NEW graphics cards, it also requires (or recommends) a direct X 9.0B compliant card, yours barely meets DX7 let alone 9.0b

second... MORE RAM.... nuff said

third.... laggy a$$ hard drive.

forth.... really slow processor for that kind of game...


and they still don't get it. I try so hard and am so nice and explain things so simply and yet they act like this...

man, I have many stories and THAT is what drives me nuts. I can understand upgrading but if it doesn't work at high settings, then adapt to something lower until you can kick up some funds and enjoy the game.

This one guy who had such a terrible computer could barely play quake at the smallest window everything off, the worst quality and frames you ever seen and yet he loved it, he played it all the time. That my friends is a real gamer. You work with what you have and you have, what you work with.

that is what is missing these days, games are nothing more then a tech race. to get just a little mroe frames then the top guy, to be king of the hill, to waste more money on parts used for not even 2 to 3 months only for it to be swapped out. That is why I make sure I am greatful for what I have and just play the game for the game, not for the specs.


THAT was my point. I am sorry I did not explain it well enough, I apologize to armyguy that I did not put a disclaimer saying I was not yelling at him, it just happened to be a quincadince (SP?)


Hopefully that clears things up. So no hard feelings anyone.

lol brother i know what you mean!!

some of my friends have no idea what DDR ram is !!!!

[Tyberious]

man, I am just sick of getting yelled at irate people who are really stupid they believe everything they say. When I try to talk sense into them they think I am making all this sh*t up. Funnily enough I will be a tech when I get my degree so I am getting used to it, that wont be my only job though. I have quite a few stories under my belt as well interesting experiences. I wonder if some techs like to swap stories over lunch, I also heard that the mute button gets used quite often (most likely for laughing). Better pick a place to sign up here in town because I am not going back into the city...

[eX_Do0mY]

man, I am just sick of getting yelled at irate people who are really stupid they believe everything they say. When I try to talk sense into them they think I am making all this sh*t up.

I hate people like that. If they are going to be like that, they shouldn't have a computer at all.

[ARMYguy]

If you think thats bad.... Try being a technician for a private college, where the professors working there have let their major in this and major in that make their head get to huge sizes..... I HAVE to be nice to them, as my work makes me give them one of those "how did i do?" sheets to mail back, whom the boss reviews. In reality, having a doctorate in Math or Science ( the worst ) doesnt mean you know more about why spy ware is bad and how to remove it....

Far Cry is a fun game, but i do think it suffers from the... more eye candy than game play, syndrome.... Pain Killer, looked amazing, and actually plays amazing too, so lag was never a problem... luckily. I do wish that current cards ( i call my 5900 ultra current ) were able to play games at highest level without a horrible slow down, because its just insane to tell people they have to buy even another one... ( Far Cry was out before there was any new generation cards, so it was suckage ) When i go to LAN centers sometimes... they seldom have games like Far Cry, they usually only have CS and D0D and stuff like that, and if they do have Far Cry, its on all low settings, making it a lot like Half-Life. Guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do..

[Tyberious]

oh trust me I know how that is armyguy. I had my fair share of crap like that. I am sure we could put up a "Tech Support Stories" thread in rants and raves and swap stories. That actually sounds like fun ironically because you can laugh about other people's experiences and laugh at your own after telling them.

[Looney]

Hang in there Tyberious, you'll get that degree. I would suggest you look into ITT Tech. IMHO, I think you would do very well there. Pick up a book on the A+ exams and take a read, you will find some of it review, but, there are things that I'm sure you will be very interested in, that you may not have known. I think if you did a cram session, in a few weeks you could have that A+ to walk in the collage doors with. And, Yes, we do swap stories. :D
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Tyberious]

I know there is a lot of stuff that i don't know about which is why I am so eager to learn. That doesn't just apply to computers either. Maybe I will do that, where do you suggest I get one of these at? I might just buy one online. After searching for stuff online I found that I can't just be buying stuff in stores only any more because tehy don't have the stuff I need so I will give online buying a try again. Any suggestions will be helpful.

[Looney]

You can get what you need strait from CompTIA
https://www.comptia.org/certification/a/get_caqc.asp
:D
You will notice most can be found at Barns & Noble Online store. Or they can be ordered at a Barns & Noble outlet Store.

This is the book I studied from.
https://www.comptia.org/certification/a/get_caqc.asp?id=494

[Majuub]

How do ya know if your ready to rock?
I mean what specifications do i need?

[Tyberious]

Yo Doomers. I got some very reliable information from a source that's close to id about the system specs. Of course the source couldn't say what the 'official' specs are due to the fact that the game is still being optimized. These are not direct quotes.

- Basic specs are most likely going to be 1ghz, 256ram and a geforce4(not the MX). (I put the 1ghz in there) :p
- 512ram to play the game well
- 1gig of ram and your definitely geared.
- All the newer cards work fine.
- A geforce3 runs the game 'ok' but just 'ok'.
- A 2.2 machine with 512ram and a Fx5900 runs great.
- They are still optimizing the game so...

Personally I think if you have a minimum 1gig machine, with 512ram and a geforce3 you'll be ok. Anything above this is just going to be an improvement. There are so many combinations of CPU + Vid Card + Ram that you might have a good game on an 850mhz machine with a new card and lots of ram..... it's hard to really know at this point.

this information was strait from the ID lab, passed onto a respectful source onto Doom_dude and he was more then kind enough to tell us. They are still optimizing the engine so it will only get better. You will be ok, trust me.;)

EDIT: I knew the specs would be good and I been saying it for a good while before Doom_dude posted and this only proves it, why would ID create some next level minimum specs if they want people to play the game? So don't worry about specs, just worry about how many hours you can cram into DooM ]|[ ;)

[eX_Do0mY]

I want to be able to play DooM ]|[ for at least 2 weeks, every game I have bought for the last 2 months hasn't lasted me a week.

[Doom_Dude]

I want to be able to play DooM ]|[ for at least 2 weeks, every game I have bought for the last 2 months hasn't lasted me a week.

You might have to only play it every other day to stretch it out. :p

[{TTr}Uber_soldat]

I am putting in my rammstein cd and going to upgrade my computer

[Doom_Dude]

August is getting closer. Hopefully August is the right month. :)

[Ninja_of_DooM]

Well I've seent he preorder boxes in shops here so it's a good sign. No reveiw this month like we PC Gamer readers were promised.:D I knew it was a scam.

[The Undertaker]

Maybe id is only giving copies to reviewers who will give them a 9 out 10 like Driv3r.

[Looney]

I'll review it and give it 10 out of 10 if it will get me a free copy! :D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Doom_Dude]

LOL@Looney

Where do we sign up? ;)

[Tyberious]

I heard that! :D

[eX_Do0mY]

I want to be able to play DooM ]|[ for at least 2 weeks, every game I have bought for the last 2 months hasn't lasted me a week.

You might have to only play it every other day to stretch it out. :p

You mean every other night.:p

[Doom_Dude]

Whatever works for you. ;)

[Tyberious]

night time is the best time to play.

[Looney]

I want to be able to play DooM ]|[ for at least 2 weeks, every game I have bought for the last 2 months hasn't lasted me a week.

You might have to only play it every other day to stretch it out. :p

You mean every other night.:p

You need Morrowind eX_Do0mY. :D That will last you a good month or two ;) Took me 6 months, But I did allot of roming around. :)

[eX_Do0mY]

Ok, they got Morrowind III at the Wal-Mart, I may buy it.

[Looney]

Yep thats it, The Elderly Scrolls, If it's the edition with the two add on packs it is well worth it, IMHO. I know many others would agree. ;)

[Tyberious]

sweet! RPG games, I love those. Before I ever think of getting any games I need to get a CD drive that WORKS! *burn*

I can't even install anything on this computer, remember that drives don't gradually die out, its more like an all of the sudden thing and well, that happened to me..... twice...

[eX_Do0mY]

Yep thats it, The Elderly Scrolls, If it's the edition with the two add on packs it is well worth it, IMHO. I know many others would agree. ;)

Yes it is. I may get it next week. Right now I got $200 to go buy a new motherboard (ASUS K8V Deluxe (http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20031201/socket_754-06.html) the most compatable (http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040602/memory_modules-09.html) motherboard), coupled with an Athlon 64 2800+ (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.html?i=2038).

[Doom_Dude]

That reminds me, I gotta finish my peeved off letter to Asus.

[Looney]

I really hope they do something about that Doom_Dude. ASUS, as I said to you before, will not like hearing how you were treated at that store you got the board from. I would almost bet that when they test that board and find you didn't cause it by overclocking, (Miss placed jumpper) they may send you a replacement. I think it really sucks that the store you bought it from wouldn't replace it stating that because you installing it made the warantee void.

[Doom_Dude]

I don't have much faith in getting anything out of them.

[Looney]

Yeah I can understand that... being how long it's been... But you will never know if you don't try. ;)

[Doom_Dude]

Yeah and the reason I didn't bother before is I figured I was screwed. Now I just want to give them both barrels. ;) I keep calling the MB in my letter a $200 dollar paperweight. :p

[eX_Do0mY]

What kind of motherboard did you get? ASUS A7N8X?

[Looney]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah thats all it's good for and I don't blame you one bit for being mad. I would be as well. I know I would telling others about that store and what they did. ;) The store lost ASUS a customer, and that will not set well them.

[Doom_Dude]

We shall see Looney. ;)

eX_Do0mY my ASUS board is a ASUS A7PRO and I bought it Feb 2001. It lasted 3 months and died. I changed every part in my box (cables, HDD, Power Supply, CPU Fan, RAM, Windows) and nothing helped the random crashes and freezing that suddenly appeared. So I replaced the MB with a new MSI board and used the EXACT same hardware that was used with the ASUS board and that system is still running to this day with no problems. So something was wrong with that ASUS board...

I don't expect to get anything back from them or even a reply but I was pissed off before and I still am. ASUS is getting thier board back and they can do whatever they like with it. Piece-of-crap.

[Mr. Chris]

I'm ready:

AMD 2100+
1GB RAM
Radeon 9800 Pro
SB Audigy w/ 5.1 speaker setup
Lots of hard drive space (2x 80GBs)

I feel bad for people like CheapAlert who have ubershitty computers and can't play Doom3 :(

[Doomaniac135]

im so ready i finnaly got a geforce 5900 the only thing i needed was a card now i got it

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhh

[eX_Do0mY]

Got a few more dollars, so now I got an Athlon 64 3000+, and a ASUS K8V Deluxe on the way.

Bring it on, DooM³

[The Mastermind]

Yeah, I'm ready as I'll ever be. Which isn't very ready at all. [Purchases diaper]

[Tyberious]

I'm ready:

AMD 2100+
1GB RAM
Radeon 9800 Pro
SB Audigy w/ 5.1 speaker setup
Lots of hard drive space (2x 80GBs)

I feel bad for people like CheapAlert who have ubershitty computers and can't play Doom3 :(

remember, every computer has potential. I have seen a computer with extremely crappy specs play generals zero hour with minimal problems. Sure all the settings were toned down but it didn't look half bad. It actually looked nice to me. The specs are:

2.3Ghz celeron processor
256MB of ram
Windows XP Home Edition (latest updates)
I845G Integrated graphics (latest intel drivers)
30GB 4200RPM hard drive
and one FUBAR cd-rom (the damn thing sounds like a fuggen machine gun because the owner stupidly has a problem with dropping laptops.)

Now this machine was optimized by me but the game was playable, you can't say that is not meritable of a machine of that status. Yes people say " oh a pentium 4 2.0Ghz with 256MB of ram running windows XP home and a geforce FX 5200 sucks." Well guess what? I seen a machine lower then that play unreal tourny 2k3 and 2k4 no problem with resolutions of 1024x748, all details maxedf (accept AA and AF) without a hiccup in site, frames were above 40FPS. Now its not the best but its still good. Best of all it gets better with driver updates (until you hit past the 53.03/56.72 series which maxes the GPU's speed potential but you get free quality out of it so to speak.)

I think every machine has potential, they just need a little TLC and a chance, hell, my machine wouldn't be nearly as good as it is now if I haden't optimized it, I would have upgraded a long time ago because the speed wouldn't have been enough for my purposes (and I do more then gaming).

its optimized machines that truely seperate the durons from the Athlon 64's or in Intel's case the Celerons (the original *chuck* ) from the pentium 4's (or in normal terms the little boy's from the men.)

this proves that (in SOME cases) you can teach an old dog new tricks. Unfortionately after some time it delays the inevitable (basically dalays you from upgrading. YOu have to know when to optimize and when to back off, and like most of everyone, I am learning as well.)

[Kaiser]

*shrugs

[mr_insanity]

Athlon xp 1700+ (1.4ghz)
Nforce 1 mobo n420-d chipset I think
512mb ddr2100 ram (256x2) CAS 2.5 (I think)
Geforce4 ti 4400
Sound Blaster Live! ...not 5.1 =(

My mobo can take up to an athlon xp 2400+ (about 2ghz)... Think it's worth an upgrade or maybe I can hold off on the cpu and stick in a Geforce 6800 series?

I'm not worrying about having a problem playing the game... but with all the eye-candy capability, I would love to be able to pump up the graphics more than I will be able to with the gf4. I can't do too much in the ways on AF and AA with this one. While games look decent at 1024x768 with no AA, with all the stencil shadows in D3, that's a LOT more jaggies to look at!

[eX_Do0mY]

No use in getting a GeForce 6800 unless you get a processor that can keep up with it.

I suggest to get a new processor.

[Richo Rosai]

P4 2.4ghz
786 megs ram (ddr-400)
Radeon 9800
Soundblaster 512 (gonna use headphones anyway)

So my rig is more-or-less ready, but unfortunatley I'm homeless now, so ironically it'll cost me more to hole up in a motel for 2 nights (80 bucks) to have a place to play the game than the game itself!

[The Undertaker]

A 6800 non Ultra should be good for that setup though if you want to upgrade the CPU you better hurry AMD stopped taking orders for any XP below the 2800.

[mr_insanity]

Oh Shizzle! did they, now. I SUPPOSE I can shell out 60 bucks for a 2400+ Next to a 6800, that doesn't seem like much at all.

[mr_insanity]

Here's an update on my doom situation:

I am SO NOT ready to rock Doom3 style. In my quest to upgrade my 1700+ to my motherboards max of 2400+, I opened her up to see if I should buy a copper shim or if I already have one. Of course I forgot to put thermal compound on the cpu before putting the fan back ON.... and yep, my computer's FRIED. Looks like i'm getting that new CPU after all.

[Looney]

Here's an update on my doom situation:

I am SO NOT ready to rock Doom3 style. In my quest to upgrade my 1700+ to my motherboards max of 2400+, I opened her up to see if I should buy a copper shim or if I already have one. Of course I forgot to put thermal compound on the cpu before putting the fan back ON.... and yep, my computer's FRIED. Looks like i'm getting that new CPU after all.

Not putting that compound on your CPU will not fry it, but Statick will.

I should clarify, depending on how long you ran it without the compound..... leaving it on 24 7 for a few months..... Possable... Overclocking it and no Compund... Good chance. Turning it on once or twice and having it blow right out.... not likely.

[Doomaniac135]

after seeing the g4 movie im even more ready to rock doom 3 style

[mr_insanity]

after seeing the g4 movie... I want a new videocard to kcik doom3's ass. Anyone have a suggestion on what to get with 200 bizzucks?

[eX_Do0mY]

GeForceFX 5900 non-ultra. No question.

[mr_insanity]

128mb version?

[Looney]

I would go 256 if you can. :D

Oh Man I wish I had $300 I would buy this
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1009366&Sku=E145-6800

[mr_insanity]

I was planning on buying that one, but i'd rather not spend the 300 bizzucks... and the 128mb of ram doesn't seem too cool to me.

250 for the 5900 with 256 mb might be a better bet for now... screw shader model 3.0 support.

I wish graphics cards were cheaper....

Edit: I caved and went for the 6800 non-ultra with 128mb Ram. According to Tomshardware.com's benchmarks on the preview version of doom3, memory size makes hardly any difference at all.

[The Undertaker]

I read somewhere that D3 will only need about 96mb's.
Now if only there a way to mod the non Ultra into a GT. They got Pro to XT.

[mr_insanity]

isn't the only difference between the non ultra and the GT the number of pixel pieplines**? And if I remember correctly, they're all there on the non ultra, but have been deactivated.... it'd be cool if there were a way to activate them. Ah well, even if there were, i'm not one to risk it. I don't overclock anything ever or mess around with stuff. I've fried too many mobos and cpus to trust myself doing more than I have to.

**Edit: Pixel pipelines AND memory and core speeds

[The Undertaker]

Yeah, the GT has the full 16, the non Utlra only has 12. The clock speed is differnce is only 25mhz core and I think 100mhz for memory. They're all NV40's so they're there and hopefully like the 9500 can be enabled with a software mod. Though they just might not work like 9800SE (most of them anyway) and given the large size of the chip its likely.

[Doom_Dude]

I would go 256 if you can. :D

Oh Man I wish I had $300 I would buy this
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1009366&Sku=E145-6800

Thats $425 Canadian. I'm tempted but thats a lot of coinage for a video card. Unfortunately lots of people fork out that much and more for a card thus keeping the prices so bloody high. It ticks me off.

[mr_insanity]

I hate it when people spend insane amounts of money for the latest computer parts... the ones that spend the 500 on the best video card. I don't pay any more than 300 for a video card and even that makes me a little uncomfortable. Dude, you can buy an xbox for half that now.

Still though, I did cave and buy a 6800 non-ultra, and an XP 2400+ (max for my motherboard). That's $360 right there plus the 60 for doom.... 400 bizzles mostly to play one game... dayam i'm crazy.

[Tyberious]

you just don't seem to understand. First off half of us want higher resolutions, more AA, more AF, higher IQ (image quality) and the Xbox wont offer that. Some of us just love our image quality and some of us actually max out our cards tot eh point where an upgrade is enivitable. Good for you that you are happy with lower end parts but don't go lamblasting us for liking our higher end parts, for stuff like that its wise to keep your opinion to yourself because some of us take offense to such crude comments. By the way no one is forcing you to buy higher end parts so why should it bother you.

I only spent 200 for my card anf its one of the latest models and its still good. But I need (more like want) a better card because some of my emulated games run slow and its starting to show its age but it can last quite a long time. My system has lasted me quite a long time and I have saved huge amounts of money on overclocking. Some of us need the upgrade because our not so graceful machines are snowing its age and others just want the flashy equipment to go with their superfly new case. ME? Well I wait till I need an upgrade, I try to make my parts last as long as I can.

Lets keep the b*tching off the forums, I am sure no one would like it if I ranted about macs, nor would anyone like it if someone were ranting about your favorite video card or cpu company, so lets keep the forums clean and fanboy free. If you have an opinion like that, please do what most of us do (I can name several people who keep their opinions to themselves) please keep it to yourself.

by the way welcome to newdoom forums. Hopefully you will enjoy posting here.

[mr_insanity]

okay okay, wow. Sorry about the bitching. I actually agree with you. I know I can run doom 3 now, but i'm upgrading 'cause yes... I WANT higher res DOOM, and I WANT to play with AF and FSAA. That's why I said screw you to my GF4 and got the 6800. I don't have the biggest baddest machine in the world and i'm jealous of the people who can afford the best because I want the best.
Sorry if I struck a bad chord with you, Tyberious. Thanks for welcoming me to the forums, too... though i've been around since 2002 (just don't post that much).

Everybody go buy whatever computer parts you want for whatever price makes you content. Doom 3's around the corner and, once my new parts get here, I'll be ready to rock Doom 3 style.

[ARMYguy]

Man, my 6800 ultra is still back ordered... i have had the order in for over a month now... yay for the gayness of 222 million transistor part.

[Tyberious]

okay okay, wow. Sorry about the bitching. I actually agree with you. I know I can run doom 3 now, but i'm upgrading 'cause yes... I WANT higher res DOOM, and I WANT to play with AF and FSAA. That's why I said screw you to my GF4 and got the 6800. I don't have the biggest baddest machine in the world and i'm jealous of the people who can afford the best because I want the best.
Sorry if I struck a bad chord with you, Tyberious. Thanks for welcoming me to the forums, too... though i've been around since 2002 (just don't post that much).

Everybody go buy whatever computer parts you want for whatever price makes you content. Doom 3's around the corner and, once my new parts get here, I'll be ready to rock Doom 3 style.

its alright, I just don't want this lace to turn out like most forums. If you don't know what I mean borwse different forums and check out all the flame wars that go on there. Anyways don't be jealous about other peoples machine, just do what I do (I was once jealous too but I found ways to overcome it.) Just treat your machine like a living thing, tweak it, optimize it and work on it. It makes all the difference, I have always claimed that my current rig is my true dream machine because I did just that, its everything I wanted in a rig and more. There isn't one thing I haven't touched in my machine, I know it inside out, I treat it like it is living and have put my energy into it. Now it totally depends on the machine because my dads machine hates me, no matter what I do it acts up. But your machine knows you, it will respond to you. That is how I got over my techno envy. It works for me, but it MAY NOT work for you, not one path works for all but I am offering a solution. Hopefully it will work.

About you being here since 2002, well looks like I need to get contacts I guess because I just noticed that as you said it.

[mr_insanity]

I Love my machine... she's my baby. The TLC that's gone into it is the sole reason I don't have a laptop yet... even now in my third year of college and everythin's going wireless and a laptop would be SO convenient... I can't put this out to pasture. I write music on here, I edit videos, make DVD, soon will be playing DOOM III quality games on it.
and on the subject of tweaking and such, anyone have a prefferred web reference on overclocking? CPUs/Video cards, cooling, etc?

[dd_133]

I AM READY TO ROCK!

Well maybe not fully, but I got a reliable machine and it will run doom3. :D

Well now I know I am, because right now it'll run D3, but I still wanna get me a new vid card

[eX_Do0mY]

And on the subject of tweaking and such, anyone have a prefferred web reference on overclocking? CPUs/Video cards, cooling, etc?

Tom's Hardware Guide (http://www.tomshardware.com).

[ARMYguy]

hey Tyberious, i bent a little cause i cant stand waiting and fake release dates, so i went on eVGA.com and got a 6800 GT, next day air, and its actually in my hands now the next day... I hope this card will do me well, as its not an ultra. Ill keep you posted on how it went.

[Tyberious]

really? I was thinking of going with evga anyway it I were to get it online, but I need the money. Unfortionately I need to save the money for uther things such as rent and whatnot.

[mr_insanity]

...got a 6800 GT, next day air, and its actually in my hands now the next day... I hope this card will do me well, as its not an ultra. Ill keep you posted on how it went.

That card will do you great. I just got an evga geforce 6800 and am expecting to do alright with doom3. Your card should be quite a big leap over the non-ultra-non-GT. I'd love to have the GT, but it's not worth the extra 100 bizzles for me, anyhow.

But until Doom gets here, i'll be content playing far cry faster than I was on the Gf4 ti and now I get to download all of the geforce fx and 6800 tech demos from nvidia. I love tech demos.

[ARMYguy]

I just over clocked the GT from the 350/1000 specs to the exact same as the ultra : 400/1100. perfect as can be. Runs 3d mark 03 at 12057. Can over clock even more. Its nice that the GT is pretty much the exact same thing as the ultra, hardware-wise, so it can be turned into the same thing as the ultra. I d recommend this card over the ultra since its cheaper, AVAILABLE NOW ( cant get an ultra if my life depended on it ) and has all the same features. Guess its why it keeps getting the kick ass award from reviewers, its also faster than the x800 pro on the 350/1000 clock speeds.

[Dirty_Fly]

ordered my alienware lappy,will be with me around about the 3-6 Aug

can wait!!

My girlfriend starting to think im wierd ,she caught me smooching the computer screen,LOL abvisously it was the alienware website but im starting to get sick and tired of waiting!

[FATAL]

I just over clocked the GT from the 350/1000 specs to the exact same as the ultra : 400/1100. perfect as can be. Runs 3d mark 03 at 12057. Can over clock even more. Its nice that the GT is pretty much the exact same thing as the ultra, hardware-wise, so it can be turned into the same thing as the ultra. I d recommend this card over the ultra since its cheaper, AVAILABLE NOW ( cant get an ultra if my life depended on it ) and has all the same features. Guess its why it keeps getting the kick ass award from reviewers, its also faster than the x800 pro on the 350/1000 clock speeds.

I think all of us would buy that card if we could afford it. I'm damn happy about my Radeon 9600 pro, it runs everything very well.

[Tyberious]

I am going to buy that card, I can't wait to get one but before I do I need a new PSU because I am maxing my 430 Watt Raidmax PSU out.

EDIT: where the hell did I learn to type? *ugh*

[ARMYguy]

Good thing i got that 550 watter a year ago... heh

[Tyberious]

well mine came with my case and the previous one I had was a 350 watter so I thought I was good. Well with all these damn case fans, all the memory (overclocked), an overclocked cpu, 2 cd drives which both need to be introduced to hardware assassins, 2 hard drives, one uber powerful gfx card and everything else I realise there is a problem with power. I did not think it would be a problem because I was used to having NO case fans in my previous case (read: silicon oven) but now it looks like I will be getting myself a turbo cool 510 (its max output is 600 Watts but realistically its 510 since most PSU's temps are 40*C.) I guess I should have thought ahead, and I learned not to skimp on cd drives.... Curse you Wallmart! lol

[mr_insanity]

Today was a big "getting things in the mail day"
I just got my athlon 2400+ (max for my k7n420 pro) and the regular 6800. Question is: Does anyone know if I can re-activate the 4 pixel pipes that the GT and the Ultra actuyally use. I hear you can do this with Ati cards.

And, my cpu's a bit warm... I'm using arctic silver compound with a Dragon Orb 3 cooler, and it's running aroun 67 degrees C... I don't know... that's not a question...

yay doom 3

[eX_Do0mY]

I think nVidia actually spent the money to make an actual 12 pipeline design, and not just a 16 pipeline card with 4 disabled. No one has done it yet.

That IS a little above normal for an Athlon XP. Is that the temperature on idle, or on load?

[mr_insanity]

load... idle's not too much lower. Maybe 64 for Idle. my 1700+ ran fine for about 2 years around 60 (load)

[Doom_Dude]

Today was a big "getting things in the mail day"
I just got my athlon 2400+ (max for my k7n420 pro) and the regular 6800. Question is: Does anyone know if I can re-activate the 4 pixel pipes that the GT and the Ultra actuyally use. I hear you can do this with Ati cards.

And, my cpu's a bit warm... I'm using arctic silver compound with a Dragon Orb 3 cooler, and it's running aroun 67 degrees C... I don't know... that's not a question...

yay doom 3

Thats pretty warm. I got a AMD 3200 XP with a Vantec AeroFlow Fan and it's running at 36C and hits around 40C when Playing Morrowind. Does your fans heatsink have a copper core?

[eX_Do0mY]

That is a little hot. Mine runs about 59-63 C on load, and about 51 on idle. I am using a Volcano 9, running on full power (and this thing is LOUD, about 48 dB worth of noise), with the cheap silicone based white paste.

[Doomaniac135]

i just found out i have a second compter that will run it im more than ready to rock

I AM iRON MAN

[Tyberious]

thats within the thermal guidelines, do you have PCI busmaster int eh bios enabled? That helps knock off a few C's I heard, aslo make sure you don't have a rats nest of cables and do you have case fans?

By the way I just upgraded my vid card for free.

I flashed my 5900 XT/SE to a 5950 Ultra and its running bloody fast. I wont need an upgrade for a while.

[mr_insanity]

Ah... I'm actually down one case fan. One of the fans in my PSU broke, so I replaced it with a case fan... as for the rat's nest... somewhat, I do. But there's not much i can do about it... I used to have round IDE cables, but they were actually very inconvenient.... though now I'm considering putting them back in... I'll work on it. Thanks for the posts.

[Tyberious]

well just wrap your cables with tape, splice your ribbon cables and wrap those too and route your cables neatly. Thats what I did and it really helps. Send me a pic of your case and maybe I can show you where to put some of the stuff so you can get an idea of what to do. Hopefully this forum will be of help to your heat problem (those temps are a little high but athlons are known for being pretty hot. Kinda like the thunderbirds but not as bad.)

speaking of heat raining on someone's parade I need wither a nice beefy aftermarket cooler on my card or some watercooling because the heat is really causing some annoying artifacts.

I have the core and mem at stock 5950 ultra frequencies (Core: 475Mhz and mem: 950 Mhz) but I can bring the memory up to 1,015Mhz but it causes artifacts, I think watercooling is the only option, hopefully they will have some sort of special water cooling solution for my card because all the ram chips (all 8 of them) are on the front and there are no mounting holes so I might have to epoxy a special cooler on there. Oh well, not like I play very many games now a days... *crazy*

[mr_insanity]

ahh, i did what I could inside the compy (cept for splicing and taping the IDE cables, but they're out of the way, mostly, now.) Stuck in 2 case fans and so far, it's down about 10 degrees c. I'd send pics of the case, but my cameras out of commission right now, and it's doin' alright now.

[eX_Do0mY]

Glad to hear it.

Anyway, my video card is in need of a new cooler. The fan just failed on it and I swapped the card out with a GeForce 2 GTS. Anyone got any good ideas on a good aftermarket cooler?

[Tyberious]

dayom! That is a huge temp drop, that alone tells me there is room to optimize your cooling. Congratulations on the temp drop. Speaking of optimizing cooling I just pried that stupid aluminum heatspreader, the one that comes stock on the Geforce FX series and I slapped a heatsink on top of the chip, hopefully it wont trap the heat anymore. I still need a better heatsink for my GFX card. I might even go with watercooling for it, I might not even warercool my northbridge and cpu but just the card. I will have to see if Ican fit a kit in my case though. Either that or cut up a good copper athlon cooler and mount it on my card.

[Tyberious]

what is your card right now? ATI (model name) or Nvidia (model name). If yours is a Geforce FX 5800/5900/5950 Ultra then I am in the same boat as you but if its an ATI card then I would recommend the Thermaltake Crystal orb.

here are a couple of reviews for it, I recommend keeping the fan guard off of it since it hinders airflow.

http://www.slcentral.com/reviews/hardware/cooling/thermaltake/crystalorb/

http://www.hwextreme.com/reviews/coolers/crystalorb/

The specs:
Fan: 12 CFM (one of the highest ratings for a cooler like that because the fan is so small)
Meterial: Copper (it looks like its chrome because of its thin nickel plating, they added nickel plating because Copper has a nasty habit of rusting.)


the mounts are wide enough for some/most athlon northbridges, most ATi cards and some pentium 4 boards. If you can't mount it on your card then get some thermal epoxy. If you decide to take it off of your card then I suggest you, first play a really graphics intensive game for a couple of hours, then put it in the freezer for a day or two to make the glue brittle and then swist slowly and pull up slightly. That is the standard way of getting glued on heatsinks off, ir you can just chizzle at it with a knife but I recommend against that because the chances of you hitting a delicate part are high.

Geforce FX coolers I have no idea about any aftermarket coolers because I had a hard time finding them myself.

Geforce 4 coolers I recommend the thermaltake copper cooler since it mounts on perfectly and works great.

You might have to do some research in your area, but if you find Geforce FX coolers please let me know.

EDIT: sorry about the double post, had a bit of a problem with a browser glitch.

[ARMYguy]

I was thinking of doing that, but now that i have the 6800 GT theres no point. I over clocked it and in games the core on the card is around 70 C. On the guru3d forums the people said that wasnt bad. Any of you have opinions?

[Tyberious]

that is normal temps for the GT. Don't worry about it. By the way, an update on my card. I got it to work stable now, no artifacts what so ever.

I took off that damn heatspreader and mounted the heatsink onto the core and it worked. The heatspreader insolates the corea dn heats it up plus causes the "sandwitch" effect. Here is what I mean.

in a normal cooling setup you have the following:
Core
Thermal paste or pad
Heatsink
Fan

in this case you have the sandwitch:
Core
Thermal goop
Heatspreader
thermal paste
heatsink
fan

now there is a problem, it takes the heat much longer to get into the heatsink and out of the core. So by removing the heatspreader I was able to cool it more effeciently. Now I have a stock 5950 Ultra for free with half of the memory. I have no need to upgrade any time soon as far as I feel now. I can overclock to 1020Mhz memory and around 500Mhz memory but I need watercooling and right now its not worth it. I am already happy enough with my gains.

Another advantage is the pride of saying I modded my card (for free).

Right now I am at CORE: 475Mhz and MEM: 950Mhz so I am plenty happy. I should be taken care of when it comes to doom ]|[ and any other game for that matter for a good while so I might as well take this time to save up.

I think I am going to cut up an athlon cooler, buy a couple and make some better ramsinks and a better VPU/GPU cooler. It will be cheaper that way and will be good enough for me. If anyone wants to know how I flashed my card just PM me.

[ARMYguy]

The best part of the 6800 is its ability to play halo on 1600 1200 res so perfect its scary... :)

[mr_insanity]

Oh nevermind the temp drop... She's back up to 67 on idle... It just took a lot longer to get there. Ah well... Anyone have a problem with a Thermaltake Dragon Orb 3 on an athlon xp 2400+?

I got a Thermaltake Volcano7 in the mail today, was oing to try it out, but I hated it. The clip is a pain in the ass and only secures to two clamp spots on the socket instead of all 6 like the orb. So I stuck with the orb and used the fan off the volcano as a case fan.

[ARMYguy]

I would help you, but i v never bought a non intel processor ever.

[mr_insanity]

oh. You're one of those

j/k ;)

I've never had an Intel system (in MY computer... family comps have been intel) My first was a K5, then K6 200mhz, K6-III 500mhz, Athlon xp 1700+, and now the 2400+. The last two have been a pain in the ass to cool. And I hate how the core is exposed on the chip... I've cracked TOO many AMD cpus 'cause of this.

[ARMYguy]

I started at a 486, then a p1, 100 mhz, then p2 333, then p2 350, then p3 1 ghz, then p4 1.4, p4 1.5, p4 2.53, p4 3.0ghz, and now my p4 3.4 ghz.

[Tyberious]

I have a kind of similiar story.

we had a 368 (I think, I was very young) pentium (forget how fast) celeron (ugh) ADM K6-2 (im sorry but it sucked) pentium 2 400Mhz, pentium 3 750Mhz (found out years later it was an engineering sample which is currently overclocked to 900Mhz in my sisters computer) Pentium 4 1.7Ghz (478 socket williamette, that thing kicked ass, found out years later that was an engineering sample as well via unlocked multiplier and other goodies.) and my current Pentium 4 2.4Ghz overclocked to 3.006Ghz. (right now my computer compares to a pentium 3.0Ghz with an 800Mhz FSB even though mine doesn't have Hyperthreading and I only have a 668Mhz FSB.)

3Ghz seems to accomodate my very well so no upgrades for a while.

I actually want to build an athlon system, just one to play with, I also made heatspreaders for a pentium 3 to prevent core crackage. Its not too hard to make a heatspreader to protect your core but it is harder to cool a processor with a heatspreader, it hinders its cooling ability a bit. Hell, I have personal experiences with heatspreaders. The one on my sisters computer jumped up a couple degrees C and since I took off that damn heatspreader on my Geforce card I haven't had an artifact in site. I MAY just take the heatspreader off the pentium 4, but once I get the money to replace it.

[eX_Do0mY]

I started off as a Pentium 1 250, Pentium 2 333, then a Pentium 2 450, then an AMD Duron 750, then a Pentium 3 933 (I still have it), now the Athlon XP 2100+ I'm using now. And by next week, a new Athlon 64 3000+.

Oh nevermind the temp drop... She's back up to 67 on idle... It just took a lot longer to get there. Ah well... Anyone have a problem with a Thermaltake Dragon Orb 3 on an athlon xp 2400+?

I got a Thermaltake Volcano7 in the mail today, was oing to try it out, but I hated it. The clip is a pain in the ass and only secures to two clamp spots on the socket instead of all 6 like the orb. So I stuck with the orb and used the fan off the volcano as a case fan.

I suggest the Tt silent boost. Powerful enough to cool an Athlon XP 3400+, and only 21 dB of noise. Has the 6 prong clip, and a copper heatsink you can lap for better results.

[Dirty_Fly]

486 dx
P120
P400
P800

jumped to a P3.4 *giddy*

[Twiz-XL]

Like pretty much everybody I had a 386. It was my dads, but whatever. And b4 that I had a commadore 64 (sp?). From the 386 I went to a Pentium 133, to a celeron 433. From the celery I went to a Duron 1Ghz, then a P4 2.2Ghz, and Im now running a AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Oc'd @ 2.31Ghz.

[mr_insanity]

well before MY computer with the k5, i originally was playin' games on my dad's 286, 386, 486, p100. We still have the p100 actually and I used it breifly last week when I fried my 1700+ It was awful. We also had an Atari 800 in there. That had some awesome games. But I really made the move off atari when mortal kombat came out on PC... I think it was on floppy's and tok up 8 megs. We thought that was huge.

[ARMYguy]

Did any of you check out how ATI was mad at the doom 3 bench marks? I find it funny how they try and call ultra shadow cheating... because it kicked their collective asses. hah

[Doom_Dude]

I went from a
C64
P166
AMD 850 T-Bird
and recently to a:
AMD XP 3200

[Tyberious]

Did any of you check out how ATI was mad at the doom 3 bench marks? I find it funny how they try and call ultra shadow cheating... because it kicked their collective asses. hah

well then they should be held accountable for microsoft and ATI pairing up and having the direct X 9.0 API being built in their favor before the Radeon 9700 Pro was released leaving nvidia to look cheap. Thats why Nvidia used that shader program in their drivers that dismantles, analyzes, and recompiles into machine code/shader instructions so their shader output would look proper. I read about that and think that its childish, its like little kids trying to get noticed so tehy try to do the most outrageous things and get mad when you catch them, kinda reminds me of madonna's career.

[ARMYguy]

LOL ! good one.

[Tyberious]

its true, I call em as I see em. I am just happy that my "5950 Ultra" compares to a radeon 9800 XT for the most part, its nice not feeling like a radeon 9800 Pro can own me. Thank God drivers atleast gives some of us nvidia zealots a chance at performance after the odds are against us but then again I never actually choose sides. ;) I just happen to have an Nvidia card for now. Damn proud of it. Hell I am already working on a mean cooling solution for it. Completely custom.

[ARMYguy]

I just got service pack 2 for win xp, so i could get direct x 9c, so i could use shader 3.0 in Far Cry and Pain Killer... Shader 3.0 is not a joke, 25 percent increase in fps benches in Far Cry ! Eat it ATI ! I gambled on nvidia and it paid off...

[mr_insanity]

I removed the 1.2 pacth from my Far Cry. It stopped me from using my old savegames and now the patch has been recalled. Though I would love the shader model 3.0 for my new 6800. The image quality problems are annoying...

[Evil Incarnate]

2.8Ghz Pentium 4
768MB 333Mhz ram
Gainward GeForceFX 5900XT (450 core, 780 mem)
Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS

Im definitely ready :D

[ARMYguy]

Im still using Far Cry 1.2. I am using shader 3.o for Far Cry and the fps increase was so enormous, im trying to get other games to use it as well, such as Painkiller. believe in shader 3.0, the performance increase is real. Oh and i saw half-life 2 benched and the geforces won out, which made me happy. Imagine shader 3.0 for hl2, the geforce would be totally untouched then. To get shader 3 to work on Far Cry, i had to download direct x 9c, add some code to the nvidia drivers inf file, and add -DEVMODE "r_sm30path 1" to the .exe target path of Far Cry. The benefits are basically insane, i cant get Far Cry to slow down at all anymore, even when the room is full of shaders !

[Twiz-XL]

Rig #1
AMD Athlon 64 3400+
1Gb of Generic DDR333 Ram
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128 Mb.
2 x Western Digital 10,000 RPM Raptor 74 GB HDs Run in Raid0 64K stripe size.

Rig #2
AMD Athlon 64 FX-51
2 GB Corsair Twin-X, Dual Channel DDR400
ATI 9800 XT 256 MB.
2 x Western Digital 10,000 RPM Raptor 36 GB HDs Run in Raid0 64K stripe size.

Im rdy.

Im thinking about putting 2Gbs of Corsair XMS DDR400 into Rig #1, and taking out the generic 1 Gb of DDR333. And maybe even changing the 9700 Pro to either the x800 xt PE, or the Geforce FX 6800 Ultra...suggestions?

[ARMYguy]

People are gonna say im a fan buy, but o well. The 6800 ultra is proven to be faster by a good amount in doom 3, and also faster in half-life 2... yes you heard me right, they benched half life 2 and radeon lost.. rofl. i have a 6800 gt OCed to ultra... I couldnt find an ultra for the life of me because they are sold out everywhere... but Gt is better buy anyways. same card, less cash. i also proved that shader 3 makes games much faster... case and point Far Cry. If you are lucky enough to get an Ultra, OC it to extreme edition to make sure no platinum edition card even comes close.

[Tyberious]

Im still using Far Cry 1.2. I am using shader 3.o for Far Cry and the fps increase was so enormous, im trying to get other games to use it as well, such as Painkiller. believe in shader 3.0, the performance increase is real. Oh and i saw half-life 2 benched and the geforces won out, which made me happy. Imagine shader 3.0 for hl2, the geforce would be totally untouched then. To get shader 3 to work on Far Cry, i had to download direct x 9c, add some code to the nvidia drivers inf file, and add -DEVMODE "r_sm30path 1" to the .exe target path of Far Cry. The benefits are basically insane, i cant get Far Cry to slow down at all anymore, even when the room is full of shaders !

thats because (if I remember correctly) SM3 uses dynamic branching which means its faster then SM2. So not only does SM3 look better due to using a required 32 Floating point color scheme it also is faster via Dynamic branching so you get speed and quality. By the way I am glad ATI is still in the game because prices are cheaper when companies compete, the customers always win.

I just got a new Lite ON DVD-R/RW Plus and Minus media and its also A CD-R/RW so its a combo drive. No more POS CD drives any more, and its a name brand plus it was only 80 bucks. *thumbs* Maybe I will be able to install games and burn cd's and make ISO images (backups of my disks) again. *bang*

EDIT: ARMYguy, you can flash your Geforce 6800 GT to a Geforce 6800 Ultra *idea* . It works and people started doing it, I recommend that you save your old bios before you do using NVFLASH 4.41 (NVFLASH 4.46 or anything above 4.41 is BAD. ITs recommended in the flashing community from what I read taht you use taht version.) If you want to know how to flash your card then let me know.

[ARMYguy]

I wouldnt exactly say these prices are cheap for these cards... i d be more willing to say that it does drive competition and faster video cards though. prices dont go down.

[Tyberious]

hell no they aren't cheap, but they would be expensive if there was only ONE company, hell if AMD wern't around then Intel could jack up the prices and there wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it. Same with Nvbidia or ATI, if there is no competition then we are at the mercy of one company so I subbort both.

[Doom_Dude]

Heh I wish there was a bit more competition tho. Cards are still pricy even when your buying a couple versions back from the newfangled. I find it irritating plus theres too many numbers tagged on the cards with all these crazy versions. I like the olde VooDoo days cause it was easier to pick out something.

[mr_insanity]

Are you kidding me? I love my Visiongraph nvidia geforce FX 3D 5953.5 Extreme ultra platinum edition.

Yes it gets a little out of hand now, doesn't it. I remember my first 3D accel card. Actually, it was a whole video card like today. I never did the 3d addon to a 2d card thing. Intergraph intense 3d voodoo rush. That thing was awesome. Free copy of Turok and 2 other games. Then I upgraded to the Diamon Viper V770 Ultra (gettin' more complicated with the names). That thing was a 32mb TNT2 ultra and it was good enough for quake 3.

After that it was onboard Geforce2 somethingorother on my nforce board which I quickle dumped for a Geforce 4 ti 4400. Used that for a few years 'till a week ago I got a 6800 (non GT non Ultra non fancypants) and sold the Gf4 on Ebay :)

[ARMYguy]

Whats the 6800 regular like against my gt or ultra? ( technically my GT is an ultra ) When i see benches they always leave out 6800 regular...

Tyberious: Do you know anything about flashing a 9700 pro to a 9800 pro or something? My friend doesnt have the money for anything new for doom 3, and i told him flashing the bios might be something to consider. I dont know much though.

[Dirty_Fly]

pre ordered my alienware *alienate* lappy 1 week ago,its in phase 9 or sumthing like that.All i know is its taking freaking so damn long *ugh*

[mr_insanity]

i've seen afew benchmarks... The regular 6800 definitely isn't in the same league as the GT and Ultra. Both of those seem to beat out Ati's X800 models, but the regular 6800 lags behind them. It's a bit faster than the 5950 (ultra?). Also, I only got the 128mb version... if there's not a regular 6800 available in 256, I think there will be

It's hard for me to really tell how good the card is. The rest of my rig isn't all that current:
Athlon xp 2400+ @266mhz
Nforce 1 chipset
512 mb PC2100 Ram
AGP 4x

The slower bus, agp 4x, and the 4 less pipelines certainly keep my setup from being as kick ass as I'd like it to be, but i'm still dnot worried in the least about Doom3. I'm not planning on Ultra high quality. Probably between medium and high as I'm sure, like any ID game, you can fine tune it. I'll set mine to high and drop features or add compression levels as I see fit.

Anyone know if D3 uses Shader model 3.0? I just got Directx 9.0c and want to use it to the fullest (without installing a broken Far Cry 1.2 patch).

[Tyberious]

yes, I have experience flashing both ATia nd nvidia cards, but this type of flash might be risky since they use slightly different core designs, use a different pcb and other things. I can make a custom bios with higher default clocks and a higher cas latency for him if he wishes. he can try the flash but I wont promise anything. The reason why I say this is because I lost my Radeon 9600 Pro by accidently flashing it to a 9600XT. ATI Bioses are much mroe spicific then Nvidia bioses, tehy keep the memory amount and other spicific product information, nvidia bioses are more lenient on this matter.

by the way D_D, I agree, matrox, 3d labs, dimon viper (they are still alive) should get into the game. It would be nice to have a wider range fo choice.

[Doom_Dude]

Yeah they should get thier shit together and outflank the ATI and Nvidia dudes somehow. ;)
My first 3d card was a VooDoo Banshee with 16mb of ram.

[Ninja_of_DooM]

Ok I'll put up my basic specs now:

AMD AthlonXP 2000+
1.67GHz
512MB of RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 graphics

[Tyberious]

I still have a voodoo 3 3000 16MB AGP card. I love that thing, I am going to install another custom cooler because that thing gets so damn hot it burns my finger for even a second of touching it. I wanna see how far I can overclock the card.

[ARMYguy]

Since doom 3 is open gl i dont think it can use shader 3.0, isnt that a direct x 9c only thing? I dont know if shaders are used in gl.

[mr_insanity]

Heh, good point. I hadn't realized that. You always hear what kinds of Directx features certain cards support. There seems to be a lot less talk (hooplah) about opengl... or I just don't know as much about it.

Opengl not use shaders? I'd imagine they do... how else would you get the fancypants effects and stuff in a game... i don't know. I'm talking out my ass. How DOES Opengl work? *goes onto google for answers*

[Tyberious]

OpenGL might have shaders in its V 2.0 Rev, not too sure though, but Direct X shaders are more advanced then OpenGL but not like you would notice with Doom ]|[. OpenGL has cleaner code that is easy to use which is why its mostly used by ports and third party game makers.

[The Undertaker]

There are called fragment programs (shaders are the animated textures in Q3) in OpenGL. From what I know they're the same of DX shaders except written in GLSLang instead of HLSL (or god forbid, Cg). But the beauty of it is Nvidia doesn't have to wait for OpenGL 1.6 to enable SM3 support. Just put the extensions in the driver and your good to go.
You always hear what kinds of Directx features certain cards support.
True, you never hear my GeForce4MX isn't completely OpenGL 1.3 compliant.

[SgtMagor]

i was hoping my old system can play Doom3, but with no support for Win98se that just put the last nail in the coffin. unfortunately spending gobs of money to upgrade for Doom3 is not gonna happen anytime soon, at least ill prolly get to see some kewl screens, and movies about it eventually. peace out!

[Majuub]

Two more days and im ready to rock n roll

[Tyberious]

I am ready to rock but I need that new cooling solution for my card, it barely makes it at 5950 Ultra speeds but thats because the cooling solution is crap. Nothing a big copper heatsink and a good sized fan couldn't help.

[Dirty_Fly]

im nor bragging or anything but i got my area - 51 yesterday and me and my mates have been comparing it to a desktop pc,LOOOOLLL my lappy owns!!!! painkiller full blast!! and just imagine doom3!!! FFS!!! its going to rock!!

3.2 gig proc,2 gig ram and 9800,toasted !!!! *bang*

im am seriously ready to rock stock and grab my jocks,this is going to be one hell of a ride *evilol*

[eX_Do0mY]

I am ready to rock but I need that new cooling solution for my card, it barely makes it at 5950 Ultra speeds but thats because the cooling solution is crap. Nothing a big copper heatsink and a good sized fan couldn't help.

If you can find one of those, let me know. :D

We are less than 5 days away! W00T!

[Tyberious]

alright. I am going to get one of those low level server heatsinks, if not then I will have to cut down a regular athlon cooler. I should get mrore then one so I can slap one on my old Radeon 9000 Pro and one of my voodoo 3 3000. Once I finish my custom heatsink I will try to make a how-to guide.

[Majuub]

I have now officially paid off my preorder of Doom3
I get my new computer tomorrow , yay!!!!!!!

[ARMYguy]

Dirty_fly, i also have an alienware lap top, 3.2 ghz 1 gig of ram... There isnt an alienware lap top with 2 gigs of ram or a 9800, the biggest lap top video card is the 9700 moble.... sorry lol

[eX_Do0mY]

Nope. ATI made a Mobility 9800. Read about it here:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040727/index.html

[Tyberious]

yup, saw that article a couple of days ago, its about damn time they implamented 8 pipes and a 256bit interaface but its a slightly modified X800 core (still the same as the R300, we are stuck using the same core darn it. ATI is just playing it safe for now though.)

[Dirty_Fly]

Dirty_fly, i also have an alienware lap top, 3.2 ghz 1 gig of ram... There isnt an alienware lap top with 2 gigs of ram or a 9800, the biggest lap top video card is the 9700 moble.... sorry lol


i meant i toasted a PC 3.2 dude,I know very well what my laptop consists of,ill love the fearure where i can turn the laptop on and off with a remote!! OMG that rocks solid!!

and my lappy aint a 3.2 its a 3.4!! ;)

[Tyberious]

jeeze, you most likely wont be using all that power unless you do video editing, some sound editing/encoding or if you play games for God knows how many hours.

[ARMYguy]

well damn, but even so, 2 gigs of ram for a lap top? mine didnt have the option and its almost brand new.

[Dirty_Fly]

my area -51 has 1 gig and it can take another gig,the good thing about alienware laptops is that you can upgrade the thing quite easily.

im waiting for the 9800 ati mobility,then ill be sorted! *cool*

[ARMYguy]

Maybe mine has room too, dunno. Since i got it only a few months ago it must be the same model as yours.

[Dirty_Fly]

yip it should,i was rather geeky when i got mine,i was so excited that i read the alienware manual!!! *ohmy*

mine basically came with 4 mem slots,two of them has a gig and the bottom of the rig can be open,then all you need to do is slide it in.But the laptop alone is a monster in its own right,the area-51 is SUPA fast!!!,the good thing about the vid card on the area -51 lapy can be upgraded,need to start looking for some prices on that one.

[ARMYguy]

I called alienware a week ago about getting a 9700 moble upgrade from my 9600 moble, and they have none thanks to ATI being uber gay and not giving alienware more cards than are needed for new machines... At the time i didnt know about 9800 moble, but i wouldnt hold my breath.

[Dirty_Fly]

wait about 2 months or so,You should be able to order the 9800 mob from the alienware gear shop.should be cheaper that the actuall 9800 chipset for desktop pc's.

*shows ATI the bird for not selling more 9700 chispsets for lappy's*

[Mifffo]

hehe when you get doom your not gonna rock and frag your gonna run to the nearest dark corner and hide, hide as good as you can

[CyberG]

Just finished putting together my rig.

ASUS A7N8X motherboard with nForce II chipset
AMD Athlon XP 1800+ Processor
80 Gigabyte Harddrive
1 Gigabyte Ram
Geforce FX 5700 Ultra

I should be ready!

[leekirlew]

Im in the same situation.

Ive just got:

AMD Athlon 64 3200+
ASrock K8S8X (SIS 755 Chipset)
512Mb 400Mhz Ram
160Gb SATA HD
ATI Radeon 9800 pro

I ain't sure if I'm ready yet and was wondering if someone could tell me what sort of performance I can expect on this system. I'm in England and I've pre-ordered, but won't get a copy til August 13th at least!!

Thanks

[ARMYguy]

Im playing doom 3 with 60 fps 1600 1200 res, full anso and 4x aa on a 6800 gt oced to ultra system, 3.4 ghz p4 c, 1 gig dual channel ddr400 ram. Only way to witness such violence :)

[The Undertaker]

Its okay ARMYguy, we won't think less of you if only get 40fps. Because this (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2146&p=3) says no to that. Your not leaving something off are you?

[CyberG]

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/cybergeeker/photo9.jpg

[ARMYguy]

I get higher numbers because i heavily modify my drivers: i add my own code and make the much more effecient. I also use OMEGA drivers, on top of that. Anything is possible with nvidia. Obviously it goes lower than 60 fps, but it can chug at 60 for a good while, as long as that SUPER DUPER LAGGY STEAM FROM PIPES doesnt come into the picture *dark*

[lothario]

Has anyone tried a comparison of the Omega drivers to the latest Catalysts? If there's a significant difference, I'd try the switch. I'm playing with relatively low framerates (20-45), but my rig is pretty outdated...1.3 p4, oced 9600xt, 384mb RDRAM. Still, fps do not go below 20 with 1024X768 no aa, low detail, or 800X600 2xaa, high detail. Any suggestions on a resolution/aa/af/detail settings combo that would be optimal for my system? might save me some time starting and restarting the game...which takes a little of the fun out of it, makes it seem more like a game than a world you are being immersed in. Thanks in advance to replies on either question!

[eX_Do0mY]

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/cybergeeker/photo9.jpg

Nice case. What is it, a Powmax Demon?

[CyberG]

no It's a Diablo brand Demon

[eX_Do0mY]

Same thing. Just got the name wrong. Just got my new case in today. It looks badass. I'll post pics later.

[CyberG]

Good news! My copy of DOOM II was just shipped, I should have it some time this week! :D

[Evil Incarnate]

Heh, just flashed my 5900xt to a 5950 Ultra...Now Im really ready! :D Thanks Tyberious for all your help in flashing my card *thumbs*

[ARMYguy]

I built my girl friends family a value computer and threw in that card in it, since its value stuff.. the 6800 is reserved for me :)

[eX_Do0mY]

Right about now, I'm starting to get pissed. I pre-ordered DooM³ off of Gamestop, with the overnight shipping. I was supposed to get it yesterday. It isn't here. DAMN FEDEX!

[ARMYguy]

I always have problems with fed up er ex

[Twiz-XL]

I just ordered myself a Dell Inspiron 9100 Laptop. P43.2Ghz 512mb ddr400, with an ATI Mobility 9800 256mb. Now I can play Doom 3 while at school too. Sorta weird that the card in my laptop is better then whats in my desktop comp.

AMD Athlon 64 3400+
1Gb of Generic DDR333 Ram
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128 Mb.
2 x Western Digital 10,000 RPM Raptor 74 GB HDs Run in Raid0 64K stripe size.

[eX_Do0mY]

According to the Fed-Up tracking, it tried to deliver in London, KY. And said incorrect address. That place is a good 1 1/2 hour away from here. Then it said another attempt to deliver, then it said not attempted. Stupid Fed-Ex.

[Evil Incarnate]

Quote:
I built my girl friends family a value computer and threw in that card in it, since its value stuff.. the 6800 is reserved for me

Hehe, if I had the money for a 6800, I'd get it in a heartbeat

[eX_Do0mY]

I would rather get a 5900 ultra and an Athlon 64 3000+.

[Tyberious]

Heh, just flashed my 5900xt to a 5950 Ultra...Now Im really ready! :D Thanks Tyberious for all your help in flashing my card *thumbs*

glad to hear you have success! I just need to get myself a gaming card and then I can actually play games. My 5950 Ultra died due to electric discharge in my rig, I can thank the radeon card being int here before for grounding out then as soon as I put the card in... ZAP! *bawl* Well atleast I can get a 6800 NU. Hopefully MSI.