jdoom keeps crashing

[0311_Lifer]

it seems like after i did a fresh install of jdoom and the retexturing project then the jdrp every thing was running fine (recently did a format and reinstall of windows) but then about 10 minutes or less into gameplay the game shuts down and the weird windows error shows up asking if i want to report the fatal error. before jdoom never did this even with the retexturing project installed. here are my specs:
p4 2.8ghz h/t with 800mhz fsb
asus tek p4 mobo (i865pe chipset)
1gb (4x256dimms) pc3200 ddr ram cas 3
80gb westgate hd 7200rpm 8mb cache
GeForce 5900 ultra 256mb ddr ram w/ newest drivers
some weird atx psu @ 250 watts
audigy 2 sound card (newest drivers installed)
windows xp home edition (newest updates installed)



no other game has this error ever or even crashes on this system.

[Tyberious]

250Watts!!! That is extremely small, you expect that small of a powersupply to power all those componets A 350Warr is recommended for those componets, a 300Watt minimum, and last I checked power supplies are cheap but it depends in your area, I think you should get a 400 or 450 watt for extra headroom if oyu can afford it? With that power supply you have you are overloading your componets, by the way would you mind posting the doomsday.out file so we can diagnose the problem further

[eX_Do0mY]

HOLY CRAP! 250 WATTS! Maybe the game is crashing because you are overloading your PSU, and all the components don't have enough power to run any further, so the computer crashes and puts up an error box. Just a dumb guess. The 5900 uses about 150 watts on system boot, and probably around 200 under load.

[Tyberious]

those pentium 4's suck up major wattage not to mention all that ram you have (especially 4 sticks), you should upgrade and see if that fixes anything. That is an urgent upgrade, there is a chance you can easily blow out your power supply.

[0311_Lifer]

the problem with replacing this piece of shit psu is that im not sure what to buy because the size is just a mystery. i know its not a standard atx but the wiring configuration is the same and i dont think compaq's use the same proprietary psu like dell used to use. the only idea i can think of is really desperate and probably kind of dumb. i think i should buy a good 400watt atx psu and keep it outside of the case or something and connect the video card (geforce 5900ultra), dvd-rom drive, and cd-rw drive to it and let the motherboard and processer use the 250watt psu thats in there right now. would this cause any problems ? the reason i cant replace the case is not only because it will void warranty but also because i would have to break it and take out the power on button in the front as well as the LED's and somehow mount those onto a different case and then modify the back of it to make it work with this. i hope someone can help me with that because i dont want to buy a seperate psu and have it not be useful or even mess up the rest of the computer.
*confused*

[Tyberious]

your idea with using the two power supplies would work. That is a tough one, I will have to give it some thought.

[0311_Lifer]

i read more into the dual power supply thing and theres an obvious problem i havnt thought of before. how do you use the second power supply unit with out plugging it into the mobo ? is there like any psu's with an on off switch on the back i could use for this ? is there any way to turn on a standard atx psu with out plugging it into the mobo ?

[Looney]

You would do better to just buy a new case and add a power supply. Transfer your stuff (hardware) from the old Compaq case to a new one. Having the PS outside the case would work, but you would need to also run a ground wire from the PS to your case.

Running two is not a good Idea. Unless the second one is running lights and what not.

Do not wire two PS's together and try and run it on one Mother Board..., Unless you want to burn up your comp. ;)

[eX_Do0mY]

Find a PSU specially made for dual usage. It would be easier to buy a 400 watt PSU for $59 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-912&depa=0)

[Looney]

Taken From (http://www.duxcw.com/faq/ps/ps4.htm)

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Power Supplies
Last updated: 5/8/02

Q. How can I "trigger" an ATX power supply to test it?

A. Do this at your own risk...

* Is the power cord plugged into the power supply? Is the surge protector on?
* Is it plugged into a live outlet?
* Plug the power supply AC power cord directly into a wall outlet.
* Many recent ATX power supplies have an additional power switch on the back of the power supply itself. Is it on?
* Is the power supply set for the correct voltage? Most of them have 110/220 Volt switch. The 220 volt setting won't work in the U.S.A. The 110 volt setting in Germany, for example, will probably fry the power supply--I've done it!
* Unplug the power cable to the power supply and disconnect all of the power cables from the power supply except the main power connector to the motherboard. Disconnect all other cables to the motherboard except the front panel power-on connector. Remove all expansion boards from the computer. Push the power-on switch and see if the power supply fan turns.
* Try another outlet.
* Now to answer the question... Unplug the power cord from the power supply, short-out pins 14 and 15 on the power supply main power connector, and plug-in the power cord just long enough to see if the fan is working.
http://www.duxcw.com/faq/ps/psconnshort.gif
This may not be the best thing to repeatedly do to an ATX power supply (it can damage it). The ATX Power Supply Design Guide 0.9 states that the power-on function should be normally done with TTL (transistor transistor logic) circuitry which pulls pin 14 low and which should include contact debounce logic. I use a jumper cable with alligator clips at each end with partially stretched-out paper clips in each alligator clip (an old trick). Pull the power plug before removing the jumper. If the power supply works, remove the motherboard and see if it is shorted-out by a stand-off or lose screw. I have seen cases where a particular "good" ATX power supply would not work with a particular "good" motherboard--so much for standards and design guides.

[0311_Lifer]

i know the case is a weird size but i think the atx power supply unit has the same exact connectors as every other one ive ever seen. i looked at the side and it looked like this:
Hipro PSU model #HP-D2537F3R Rev.1
AC Input (46-63Hz): 100-127v/6A
200-240v/4A
DC Output: +5V /25A , +12V /14A
+ 3.3v 18A , -12V /0.8 A
+5VSB /12A
+5V & +3.3V SHALL NOT EXCEED 165W
+5V & +12V SHALL NOT EXCEED 218W
MAX. OUTPUT POWER: 250W

only 2 connectors going into mainboard, the 20 pin connector thing and the 4 pin connector thing.

From the mobo to the case is the restart etc switch and LED's but its that weird compaq thing where they are all stuck togeahter. i guess that has nothing to do with it. I think the best idea would be to mount it somewhere outside the case and have the wires running through it through the empty hole where the originial psu was in the back. how would i ground the psu if its outside the case ?

[Wicked Anime Kid]

The GeForce FX 5900 Ultra requires a minimum power supply of 350 watt (i know this cause i have the same card;))

Probably jDoom keeps crashing because you don't have enough power running. and I warn you, it could cost you your nice vid card so switch fast!

[Looney]

From the mobo to the case is the restart etc switch and LED's but its that weird compaq thing where they are all stuck togeahter. i guess that has nothing to do with it. I think the best idea would be to mount it somewhere outside the case and have the wires running through it through the empty hole where the originial psu was in the back. how would i ground the psu if its outside the case ?

I know Compaq's Very well.
You sould have the 20 pin:
http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/ultramesm/power_connect/main.jpg
4 pin Power:
http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/ultramesm/power_connect/12v.jpg
IDE
http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/ultramesm/power_connect/peri.jpg
Floppy
http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/ultramesm/power_connect/floppy.jpg

Some Compaqs have a 6 pin Aux Power:
http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/ultramesm/power_connect/aux-pw.jpg

This is one I would recommend:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=599588&Sku=U10-9400%20B2

Nope, you do not need to worry about the reset switch or that other stuff on an ATX type PSU.

If you can figure a way to screw mount the PSU to the metal case itself, you will Not need to run a ground wire.

If you do run the Ground wire:
Just run a wire from the outside case of the PSU to the metal part of your comp case. Use about same gage wire as the rest of the wires coming out of the PSU. If you can, use these http://www.valcoelectronics.com/pic/caltcp25.jpg on each end of the wire between the PSU and the Case.

This is what I have:
http://images.tigerdirect.com/SKUimages/medium/U10-9500-TL.jpg
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=599600&Sku=U10-9500%20TL&CatId=1079