Edge question...stumped again *sheepish grin*

[God-l-Send-l-Death]

Hi http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

I made a couple of new keys for my tc (not really "new"...just different colored skull keys) and I don't know how to exacly implement them in the game. The key shows up in the game, but I can't pick it up. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm36.gif So I'm saying...can Edge put new keys or do I have to replace one of the existing ones? If so, I tried checking the language ddf but there was no message for the specific card or skull key, sooo....how to exactly do it? http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm3.gif

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[Doom_Dude]

That's a good question. I dunno what the answer is. I know Rellik used to edit for Edge so maybe he can help.

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[Nickster]

Normally, I would answer this but im just in such a f*cking bad mood right now that I cant be bothered...

[Melfice Darkmage]

Hope you get in a better mode later http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm25.gif

[God-l-Send-l-Death]

No worries, man...no rush. When you feel better. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

Tonight I have a "date" with my girl on Battle Net so I won't do any editing tonight methinks... http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm1.gif

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[Rellik_jmd]

Hmmm, I dunno if you can define new keys (been a while since I used EDGE) but I imagine it wouldn't be that hard to make a radius script that removed the key and then use scripting to make it seem as though you have the key.

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[God-l-Send-l-Death]

Hmmm.....alright, so you mean a script that would sort of "replace" the key and give its linedef properties, pick up messages and such?

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[MoBro88]

its not possible to implement new keys with edge. That would require new linedefs, code, etc. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm6.gif

[Rellik_jmd]

Yeah, you'd just have to kind of fake it. That's what most DOOM editing is about though, tricking the player into thinking you've done something like make a new key object when really when he crossed a line surrounding the regular thing (maybe a non-blocking greytree replacement http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/tongue.gif) the line triggered a script that removed the object (simulating the player picking it up) and changed the door to one you can now open.

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[Palladium]

If your trying to replace the Skull keys, you can use Boom types that Distinguish betwen skull and Card keys, and then make the Skull keys different colors to Basically make it seem as if you have 6 different colored keys, rather then just 3.

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[God-l-Send-l-Death]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica, serif">quote:</font><hr width="100%" size="1" noshade><font face="Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica, serif" size="2">If your trying to replace the Skull keys, you can use Boom types that Distinguish betwen skull and Card keys, and then make the Skull keys different colors to Basically make it seem as if you have 6 different colored keys, rather then just 3.</font><hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>Exactly. I'm actually replacing the card keys. I got that down...but the thing with the linedefs is screwy though....I for example, I replaced the yellow card key with the new one, and changed it's pickup mg, and the linedef door to yellow card only to simulate the new key's effect....but the door won't open. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm14.gif

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[Palladium]

are you certain you got all the line types right and crap? you put the yellow card in, and Picked it up and went to the Yellow card only door? Absolutely Positively Certainly Sure?

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[God-l-Send-l-Death]

Yep...positive...the $#^@&*% door won't open... http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm10.gif Even though the linedef number is the one it's supposed to...but the door is treated as a wall. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/frown.gif

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[Palladium]

its a two sided linedef, proper floor and ceiling heights and all?

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The Mysterious Inconsistency Failure Revealed:
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[God-l-Send-l-Death]

Yep...yup...yap

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[Palladium]

One last thing. are you positive Edge supports BOOM ?

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[God-l-Send-l-Death]

As far as I've read, yes...in the option themselvess there's an option to turn on Boom compatibility, even...

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[Palladium]

enable Boom compatibility, then restart the map

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celebrate the new found Freedom of a soul, as Death is, after all, but an escape from the Otherwise endless suffering of the real and tangible worlds.
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The Mysterious Inconsistency Failure Revealed:
When any player becomes consistent with the server, they fail to be inconsistent, which violates the latency laws of the internet and so they must be kicked before bad thingz start to happen
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Pallads pattented real world math(TM) Equation #1:
Naked Nerd + Hungry Hound = Eunuchs Programmer

[God-l-Send-l-Death]

It's always enabled....

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[MR_ROCKET]

not an extra key on the table but..

cant you just change the say "yellow key" to whatever sprite ,color ,door message ,and key message ? the door will act as if your opening it with a yellow key although the key sprite and color and messages are diffrent..

anyhows it works pretty good with this method , heres ya a demo i made http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

http://geocities.com/mrrocket2000/demos/

also something i didnt include in the dumb little readme , i made the map in wad author and it probbly wont run on doom2.exe becuase of the internal dehack but it should run on any "good" source port...

you use a gum ball to open the door..

haha , i just now got around to testing it with edge 1.27 , the dehack messages dont show up in edge, go figure.. but get this ,it works perfectly with legacy , jdoom , and zdoom..

hmm , i even tryed loading the deh extrenally with edge.. it said it loaded in the console but the deh isnt doing anything.. might be a bug ? donno
good luck http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

[God-l-Send-l-Death]

Thanks for the demos! I'll look into them now.... http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

I tried just that with the ddf's, changing the card key to the new one and replacing all instances that had to do with that key for the new one...but maybe I did something wrong cause I never saw any change...like I said, it had treated it as a normal wall. Edge doesn't support dehacked, maybe that's why it doesn't work. Also, Wad Author is my mapping editor...and I don't run doom2.exe anymore so... http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

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[Doom_Dude]

You'd think Edge would support dehacked of all things. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm1.gif

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[God-l-Send-l-Death]

Hehe!!! Yea...the txt file specifies that even. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm20.gif

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[MR_ROCKET]

yea i was gonna say something about ddf's but i figured wth dehack should do the trick lol..
but wth? haha doom.exe does dehack but edge wont? why ya messin with edge then hehe..

when i tested the little demo with jdoom i noticed somehting cool about how it treats colored sprites , the yellow key sprite woulda had a yellow halo or coronal around it right?, but after i change the sprite to the gum ball thing which was a pink color , the halo changed to pink also.. i didnt know jdoom did that , cool huh ?