What would you like to see in the new ZDoomGL?

[Tim]

Ok, figured I'd ask here, too.

Now that I'm almost finished implementing the ZDoom 2.0.x feature set (mirrors are 95% done and skyboxes are the last thing on my list), I can finally look at moving on to the fancy features.

So, my question to you is, what would you like to see in ZDoomGL?

Here's a brief list of features that I plan on implementing so far:

- md2 models are next on my list, and I'm going to look at supporting the JDoom models, too
- dynamic lights are after that, with support for placeable lights in maps to make it easier on mappers to play around with the lights (example of technique I plan on using: http://nate.scuzzy.net/programming/dlight/dlight.zip)
- environment mapping on textures

Any other suggestions? Comments on the work done so far? I'm always open to suggestions!

[Agent Spork]

Sky boxes :P

[Kaiser]

sky boxes are already in Zdoom....

it would be nice if Zdoomgl can have really realistic fogs and smoke from the guns...

[Doom_Dude]

I have as of yet to try ZDoomGL.

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[The Undertaker]

It might be nice to have another port support Vavoom's glvis. And texture compression would be useful for the hi rez textures.

[Tim]

Actually, texture compression is already supported if your video card supports it. Just set gl_texture_format to GL_S3TC... The normal textures look like crap when compressed, though (the compression artifacts aren't so noticable on high-res textures) http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

[XDelusion]

Strife support!! http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

Actually, I have only used ZDOOM GL a couple of times, and the same goes for ZDOOM itself, while very flexable, I did not like the way things looked, for some reason, things just look more present with Legacy under Gl than the did with ZDOOM. I am not shure how else to describe it...


...the enemies looked skinny...


...something.

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[Exl]

Tell me, is ZDoomGL more stable then ZDoom (which crashes every 10 min or so)?

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[The Undertaker]

I never had any problems with both. I didn't see that there Tim Tim. How about removing the option for 4 bit screen modes and adding 32 bit. 8 bit textures might be useful. Be sure it can be turned off, Edge doesn't and it annoying.

[Tim]

XDelusion: it could be that ZDoomGL is the only GL port I know of that forces an aspect ratio of 1.6 to match the original software renderer, so it makes everything look taller (more like the software renderer).

[Tim]

Hehheh, you can set a 32 bit screenmode with the gl_vid_bitdepth cvar. Default is 16. Just set it to 32 and then type "vid_restart" and you should be in 32bit mode.

Yeah, I plan on adding paletted texture support, but I haven't gotten around to it yet http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/wink.gif

[Agent Spork]

Well, could you possibly try and find ways to make it a little les.. laggy? It lags on my machine, and I've got a 1.5ghz P4, with a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 card, and it sometimes lags even at 16-bit 640x480

[The Undertaker]

Why would anything run well on the worst processor of all time?

[DtM]

I will be content with ZDoomGL when it has all the capabilities of ZDoom and the look of Legacy (with md2 models, of course).

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[Tim]

Heh, well it still has the 35fps cap that ZDoom has, so that's one thing. I'm currently working on a more efficient geometry path so that should help on the more complex maps.

[Doom_Dude]

Just downloaded ZDoomGL. Gonna check it out afterwards. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

Do I ever need to clean up and organise my DooM directory. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/rolleyes.gif

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[Agent Spork]

Another suggestion: Add the smooth camera movement ability that JDoom has.

[Doom_Dude]

Got it installed and finally got it set up so everything is looking good. So far I like it. Haven't seen anything to complain about yet. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

A launcher of some sort would be nice.

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[ToXiCFLUFF]

Zdoom or ZdoomGl don't work on my computer any more. The screen goes blank on starting either of them up and the computer locks up until I restart.

I'm on a GF3 with the excellently fast new 41.09 drivers... has anyone else had this problem?

[Nickster]

btw, what is "environment mapping on textures"?

[Deathgiver]

Wouldn't that be for "shininess"

[ToXiCFLUFF]

Yeah, that's the one. Kinda random shine suggesting reflectiveness.


Can't really see it fitting into Doom to well though. Not that I'll ever find out until Zdoom works.

[Tim]

I think environment mapping would work pretty well in Doom. For the end user I'd support an ini file so they can specify which textures/flats should be environment mapped and for the mappers I'd let them specify which lines/sectors should get it (and provide a way for them to turn off user-specified definitions).

Then you could get effects like a shiny overlay over windows or mirrors, etc.

[Aliotroph?]

Add compatibility for all of Legacy's editing features including FraggleScript and kill all of Legacy's little bugs. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/tongue.gif

DO NOT EVER ADD THOSE GAY-LOOKING LENS FLARES! http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/wink.gif

And lastly, add a secret key to change the HUD face to Winona Ryder cause she's just prettier than the DooM guy. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/biggrin.gif

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Now that would be too cool! http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

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