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DtM

January 19th, 2003, 06:40 PM

I'm making a simple deathmatch level, simple because it has to be within 1200 sidedefs. Damn that shareware version of DeePsea.

The point is, sometimes when I'm testing it, the CyberDemons in the middle sometimes disappear for no apparent reason. If you run around em a couple of times, you shall see what I mean. It's a Legacy wad.

http://www.geocities.com/domthemighty2000/trenches.wad

The Undertaker

January 19th, 2003, 09:29 PM

Try packing the sidedefs and sectors to help get around the shareware limitation. Its near the bottom of the file menu. Just make a backup before doing so as it makes the level is hard to edit.

DtM

January 19th, 2003, 10:40 PM

Wicked. That worked, not against the CyberDemon problem, but yeah, no sidedef limitation will ever be a pain in the arse again.

Aliotroph?

January 19th, 2003, 11:41 PM

Doesn't help the fact that you can only have 800 linedefs.

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Aliotroph?.postCount++;

ReX

January 20th, 2003, 05:55 AM

DTM said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>no sidedef limitation will ever be a pain in the arse again<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, sidedef packing will only take you so far. If you build large, complex maps with many sectors that have different attributes (floor & ceiling heights and flats, lighting) the program will not be able to pack them enough to be within the shareware limits. If you're serious about editing, go ahead and pay the twenty-some bucks to upgrade to the registered version (a brand-new version is around $40). It'll be worth the money. Or else find a free program without DeepSea's shareware limits.

DtM

January 20th, 2003, 08:09 PM

Actually, if its $40 in US money, that makes it $80 in Australian money, not something that a 16 year old throws around lightly.

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Well it is, but that's not the point.

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Hey, does anyone have any suggestions about that CyberDemon problem I was whinging about earlier?

ReX

January 21st, 2003, 06:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>$80 in Australian money, not something that a 16 year old throws around lightly<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree that this could be a hefty sum for a student.

If the price tag is an objection but you want to build large maps in MS Windows, then XWE (http://www.doomworld.com/xwe) may be your answer. It's 100% free and has practically all the features you'll need as a mapper. The down-side is that it lacks documentation, so you'll want to use it if you are an experienced mapper who is familiar with Windows-based editors.

deepteam

January 21st, 2003, 09:16 AM

You can pack and unpack. So pack the level and save. Then the next day, come back unpack before you edit any more.

Sort of a PIA, but it works so as long as you stay under the 800 linedef limit and lets you go a lot higher for the sidedefs.

Packing works at remarkably high efficiency, even for the most complex levels. Surprised me too. For example, the new 3057demo level goes from 14,049 sidedefs to 5095 sidedefs.

Good thing this came up. Looks like I need to fix something when I changed to support fo huge levels - some levels that should pack do nothing http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif [fixed will post in a bit]

DtM

January 21st, 2003, 06:07 PM

Haha, I managed to bring the sidedef count down from 1,200 sidedefs to about 270.
I can now make the level slightly larger, maybe make a little village... expand on the towers... a little imaginative teleportation... and hopefully turn the SpiderDemon into some form of APC and have it roam around the place, even though that has nothing to do with the sidedef count.

Mr. Chris

January 29th, 2003, 12:15 PM

ICQ or AIM me and I'll help you get around the limits DtM http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm11.gif