Thinking of getting into editing.

[Ninja_of_DooM]

I'm right now wanting to start editing and wanted to know what would be a pretty good editor tool set for a beginner like me.

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[Exl]

It kind of depends on what you like\dislike.
If you've never edited a map before, you may want to start off with some simpler editors (like Wadauthor). Also, if you're running Windows XP or any other non-DOS supporting OS, your choices will be more limited. Here's a short list with some pro's and con's I've encountered:

DEU: DOS, old, buggy, bad
WinDEU: Win98, old, buggy
DETH: DOS, DEU-based (not bad though)
ZETH: Like DETH, but ZDoom specific
Deepsea: Win (probably XP too), many possibilities, powerful, but a little overwhelming to the newbies in editing
WadAuthor: Win, overall pretty nice, messes a few things up sometimes

Okay, that's a long post... http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif Anyone else got something to add\correct to this?

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[Exl]

Hm... let me put it this way, I use WinDEU 99% of the time, and I always treat it right, but to a newbie in map editing... http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

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[Aliotroph?]

I've never used a version of WinDEU that didn't crash all the time. /me hugs DeePsea executable http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/wink.gif

There's also DoomCAD. Doom_Dude and Boingo like it. It's for windows.

I tried another windows one called DoomEd. I don't recommend it though. It's weird and I had issues figuring it out despite being a complete computer addict.

Wadauthor is a good editor but I don't like it's style of doing things (just a preference thing basically). I use DeePsea mostly because it can edit in a style I like and it runs on all versions of Windows (well maybe not 3.1).

Pate also made one called "Why" but I don't think it's really a newbie editor since it's still under construction.

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[Ninja_of_DooM]

I would use doomcad but I heard it only runs on DOS. So I guess that's it. But I can't understand any editor really.

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[Doom_Dude]

If DoomCad was DOS I wouldn't ever use it.

Try DoomCad Ninja and follow the tutorial that comes with it. It's worth a try.

DooMCad6.1 (ftp://phoebus@server1.thefourwinds.net/newdoom/utils/dmcad61.zip)

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[Aliotroph?]

Who the hell said it only runs on DOS??? It's the opposite. It only runs on Windows. It was written in Visual Basic.

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[Ninja_of_DooM]

Everytime I try to use doomcad I get the error message "can't find knife.VBX" The files are in the same directory so what's going on? http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm19.gif I have XP BTW.
I tried doomed too Aliotroph? but all I can get is little squares to appear and Ican't figure it out. So I won't recomend it either especially for newbies.

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The animated series of DooM.
DooM E1M1 in flash (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/content.php?id=58822&date=1034136000)
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[Mathrigo]

Hello, i am new here... =D i have also just tried DoomCAD with WinXP and it says the vbrun300.dll file is missing, i copied it from somewhere else in the DoomCAD directory, and now it says something isnt decompressed right, maybe its the wrong version of the dll... where can i get the right .dll???

[Doom_Dude]

Ok Vbrun300.dll doesn't go in your Doom directory. It's supposed to be in your windows/system directory (I'm not sure about XP but for Win95 and 98 this is where the file goes) DoomCad was designed for win95 afterall.

Download vbrun300.dll here (http://www.xmission.com/~psneeley/Shareware/VB300.htm)

Oh and the 'download' link on the page is mispelled 'vrrun' but it IS vbrun...

knife.vbx is supposed to be in the Dmcad folder. I don't know why it's giving you that error. I never had that prob before but I'm using win98...

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[Mathrigo]

I have downloaded WadAuthor and its running pretty good =D but how can i add the XGs thingies from JDoom to it???

[Aliotroph?]

No clue about those XG things since I've never used them but Wadauthor has a config file that can be customized for lindef types and such.

As for vbrun300.dll, it just seems stupid that M$ doesn't include runtime libraries for their own programming environments in all Windows versions. I mean the VB runtime libraries just have to be more important than those retarded sounds and movie clips right?

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[Mad Max RW]

Back in the day I loved Edmap. Might checkout the newer editors and see if I wanna mess around.

[Doom_Dude]

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Yeah exactly!

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[Boingo the Clown]

DooMCAD has been my editing workhorse since I first started editing. It has a number of limitations, like having 8 x 8 as its smallest grid snap,but it works quite well.

Both DooM Dude and I have made modifications to the DooMCAD .ini files that allow you to edit for Legacy, and BOOM. My version of the DooMCAD .ini files can be found HERE (http://www.geocities.com/boingo_the_clown/DooMCAD.html).

A big problem I am having now is the fact that my new computer is running under Windoze X-tra cra-P, and DooMCAD will not run in it, forcing me to switch back to my old computer, running Windoze 95, in order to do my editing.



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[Boingo the Clown]

By the way, if you go to the Epidermis Emporium (link in my sig), you can download a copy of vbrun300.dll from the tools section.

An odd thing about me and editing seems to be the fact that I do a fair bit of editing for fun, but most of what I do is experimental stuff (FX mostly), and I tend not to release mcuh. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/frown.gif



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[Aliotroph?]

Same here man.

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[Doom_Dude]

I updated my 'Stuph' page on my web site today and you can get DoomCAD5.1 and 6.1 off there plus grab the .ini files I edited and the ones Boingo changed for DoomCad6.1. Oh and the vbrun300.dll is on there too. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm35.gif

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