Making New Flats? [Archive]

Doom_Dude

October 17th, 2001, 06:10 PM

Heya! I'm messing around with XWE and making some kewl textures thanx to ReX. Anyhow, I was wondering if it's possible to get custom Flats into the game? I can't say I've ever seen anybody ask this question before and I don't remember ever seeing custom Flat textures in any wads. Whats up with that?

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Aliotroph?

October 17th, 2001, 06:40 PM

I don't know XWE but I think there was some trick to doing flats in DooM. Can't remember why though. I'm sure you can do it because FreeDooM was its own flats and it's being done with DeuTex and similar tools.

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Doom_Dude

October 17th, 2001, 08:07 PM

Swheet. I always liked making floor textures and would love to get some of em into the game. Maybe if I poke around with XWE I'll figure it out.

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Aliotroph?

October 17th, 2001, 08:19 PM

You might. I'd like to see them.

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Doom_Dude

October 17th, 2001, 09:22 PM

Vilecore is getting a nice polish. Made a kick ass brick texture and made a revision of one of Doom II's doors.

Oh yeah, I was supposed to poke around and see about this Flat thinghy..

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ReX

October 18th, 2001, 05:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>I don't remember ever seeing custom Flat textures in any wads.<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>There are hundred of wads that contain custom Flats. It's even easier to insert custom flats using XWE than it is to insert custom patches and create new textures.

1. Open up your wad in XWE
2. Insert a new entry, and rename it to FF_START.
3. Insert your flat(s)
4. Insert a new entry, and rename it FF_END

That's it. (Remember that your Flat must be exactly 64*64.)

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Doom_Dude

October 18th, 2001, 09:30 AM

Kewl and thanx again ReX (Just tried it out and it works great) http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/wink.gif
I honestly can't remember seeing custom flats in any wad. LOL, maybe I should look down more often. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm32.gif . Then again I haven't played any user made maps in ages.

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Aliotroph?

October 18th, 2001, 10:11 AM

Mystic uses custom flats. He's the only guy I can remember doing that. He likes to use the teleporter flats from Heretic in his DM maps. His Mummy Phuquers maps have loads of custom textures and flats. Other than him I can't think of any examples though.

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Doom_Dude

October 18th, 2001, 11:31 AM

I have to check out Mystic's wads sometime soon and from the screenies I've seen his wads look very kool.

I know of lots of wads with custom textures, sprites, and skys but I cannot recall any with custom Flats. I'm not even sure if Looney's Hunted wad had custom Flats. Anyhow, this XWE program sure kicks the crapp out of Wintex. I tried numerous times in the past to get custom textures in DooM and I always ended up confused and pissed off, until now.

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DooMAD

October 18th, 2001, 12:25 PM

I used WinTex to import custom flats into wads. If you select 'Load entry from file' from the edit menu and use the name of an existing flat, like Floor4_8, it should work.

Aliotroph?

October 18th, 2001, 01:07 PM

I wonder if the Aliens TC used custom flats. After what I saw with the monsters I wouldn't be surprised.

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Doom_Dude

October 18th, 2001, 04:22 PM

Wintex might be great for some people but now that I'm using XWE, there's no going back!

Yeah, since it's a Total Conversion, it should have new Flats.

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ReX

October 18th, 2001, 05:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>I honestly can't remember seeing custom flats in any wad<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>Every single wad I've done in the last 2 years has had custom flats (along with custom textures), and many have had custom weapons, enemies, sounds, and music. 25 levels of PC/TC goodness.

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mystic

October 18th, 2001, 08:36 PM

Gothicdm and Darkening2 both use custom flats and are well worth downloading (my 2 favourite wads for playing).

You can even use new flats with your own flat names but as far as I know the only editor that lets you use them is DCK (the Legacy people told me ages ago)

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Creator of 'The Mummy Phuquers' series of Doom wads.
Creator of 'Wet Phannys' 'Phannies Galore' 'Minge' the 'Grail' series, the 'Mystic' series
also creator of ANDYDM1.WAD (my favourite)

So long and thanks for all the fish
(hitch hikers guide to the galaxy)

http://www.gtroad.net

Doom_Dude

October 18th, 2001, 08:52 PM

Kewl Rex. There is a multitude of levels out there that I've never played.

I'm using DoomCad 5.1 and making Flats with new names. I started with SLIME18 and I'm on SLIME22. I had to pull a trick to do it thou. I copied the doom2.wad and put the original in a seperate folder for restoration later. I'm putting my Flats and Textures into the copy of the doom2.wad so that DoomCad will recognise that they exist. At the same time I'm putting em in a new wad. The tex wad and map wad don't need to be merged until after the map(s) are done as I'm using Legacy. I just choose both wads in the Legacy launcher and she runs fine. When I'm done I'll just merge the texture wad with my map wad and restore the good copy of the doom2.wad I know it sounds crazy but it works.

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mystic

October 18th, 2001, 10:50 PM

I remember all that palaver from my DEU and NWT days, I use DETH and Wintex now, both fannytastic programs.

Hey Doom Dude, I feel really guilty, you made a link to my web site and I dont have one for yours. Im making some updates, honest. I keep meaning to do stuff like that but always seem to forget. I should add Boingo and Relliks pages too.

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Creator of 'The Mummy Phuquers' series of Doom wads.
Creator of 'Wet Phannys' 'Phannies Galore' 'Minge' the 'Grail' series, the 'Mystic' series
also creator of ANDYDM1.WAD (my favourite)

So long and thanks for all the fish
(hitch hikers guide to the galaxy)

http://www.gtroad.net

Big_al

October 19th, 2001, 01:15 AM

Its something I have never tried myself. Maybe in my next wad if I ever get an idea what that's going to be. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm1.gif

ReX

October 19th, 2001, 05:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>as far as I know the only editor that lets you use {custom flats} is DCK<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually I'm aware of at least 3 other editors that allow the use of custom flats -- WadAuthor, DeePSea, and XWE.

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Doom_Dude

October 19th, 2001, 12:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>Hey Doom Dude, I feel really guilty, you made a link to my web site and I dont have one for yours.<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey it's about time you noticed http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/tongue.gif Once I fix up my links page, which is a mess, I'll put the link to your site in there.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>something I have never tried myself. Maybe in my next wad if I ever get an idea what that's going to be.<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's really easy when you know how. You should give it a shot sometime Big_al. It makes editing that much more cooler and time consuming! I mean fun!

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Pate

October 20th, 2001, 01:05 AM

WinDEU 5.99b lets you use custom flats as well. Too bad it's so buggy. Yadex might do that too, but I'm not quite sure about it.

Doom_Dude

October 22nd, 2001, 10:23 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>Too bad it's so buggy.<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't ya just hate program crickets. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm3.gif

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Aliotroph?

October 22nd, 2001, 02:12 PM

Seems to me the last full version of DEU was 5.21. After that they did a thousand betas and never bothered to fix them before adding more features.

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The Undertaker

October 22nd, 2001, 02:19 PM

Sounds a lot like Zdoom.

mystic

October 22nd, 2001, 09:46 PM

DEU evolved into DETH and HETH, the bugs are gone but your up shit creek if you run WIN2K.

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Creator of 'The Mummy Phuquers' series of Doom wads.
Creator of 'Wet Phannys' 'Phannies Galore' 'Minge' the 'Grail' series, the 'Mystic' series
also creator of ANDYDM1.WAD (my favourite)

So long and thanks for all the fish
(hitch hikers guide to the galaxy)

http://www.gtroad.net

Doom_Dude

October 24th, 2001, 10:11 AM

HETH?

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The Undertaker

October 24th, 2001, 12:36 PM

Heretic/Hexen Deth I guess. Or did he mean Zeth?

mystic

October 24th, 2001, 07:53 PM

Just a slip of the toungue. It probably is ZETH, I cant be bothered opening the text file to see.

Hey Undertaker, was it you who mentioned a wee program that makes texture wads from all the graphic files in a directory?

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Creator of 'The Mummy Phuquers' series of Doom wads.
Creator of 'Wet Phannys' 'Phannies Galore' 'Minge' the 'Grail' series, the 'Mystic' series
also creator of ANDYDM1.WAD (my favourite)

So long and thanks for all the fish
(hitch hikers guide to the galaxy)

http://www.gtroad.net

The Undertaker

October 25th, 2001, 03:29 PM

No, I mentioned Slige.

Doom_Dude

October 26th, 2001, 10:26 AM

I found a reference to Heth in a doom related search but the doom page in question was defunct, dead, gone, kaput, detroyed, imobilized, etc,.... There is a HETH, but what it is and what it does is unbeknownst to me.

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deepteam

October 26th, 2001, 01:26 PM

You newbies http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

HETH is a version of DETH for HEXEN. ZETH was derived from HETH. Only differences are a new BOOM/ZDOOM flags for linedefs and sectors.

Doom_Dude

October 26th, 2001, 02:14 PM

LOL, so there it is http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/tongue.gif

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The Undertaker

October 26th, 2001, 04:54 PM

Now we need a SETH and QETH.

Doom_Dude

October 26th, 2001, 09:54 PM

BETH?

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