Vilecore: Map32: The Vilcore [Archive]

REoL

January 20th, 2001, 05:25 PM

Okay. I hit another famous dead-end here, wosrse than that other one (if you're a purist using BooM).

This is in The Vilcore map (MAP32). I get to the end of that long hallway, where there's 2 red doors, and a regular one on the right. Go through, there's a tall room with a lot of torches flickering about. Go farther, there's 2 rooms that mirror each other, with torches in all but 1 recess. It appears as if that one's a door or something. I shot it, nothing. Is that recess the way to continue on? BooM can't jump. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif
I'll wait for an answer before I continue onward.

I wouldn't be here right now if I didn't hit a dead end in this map. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Stphrz

January 20th, 2001, 07:52 PM

Yep. Ya gotta jump. I played it using ZDoom. You really should make the switch. ZDoom is so much faster than Legacy or PrBoom with Pentium 2 processors or better it's not even funny. I did a timedemo on my P2 266 ZDoom vs PrBoom on Chris Lutz's PAR demo using similar demos (nomonsters). ZDoom was twice as fast in some spots. PrBoom is faster than Legacy though.

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Doom_Dude

January 20th, 2001, 08:09 PM

Awwwwwww.....sh1t http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/frown.gif I didn't realize what I did. Phuck! Did I say phuck!? Well what the hell was I thinking? Sorry, but you have to jump into the torchless alcove jobby. Geeeezzzzussss, how come I didn't think about that before? I guess after making 32 DooM maps, you get a little stunned in the brain department........sigh.

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Stphrz

January 20th, 2001, 08:48 PM

'Sokay there Doom_Dude :)

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Doom_Dude

January 20th, 2001, 08:54 PM

Stphrz, to tell ya the truth, I'm totally DooMed out. After finishing 32 maps, I feel DooM depleted or something. I haven't played or edited DooM in weeks and I dunno when I'll get back into it. I have an idea of what I want to do next but I have no ambition to work on it. I've dried up in the Doom department.

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Empyrial Revenant

January 20th, 2001, 09:04 PM

There is another way to get in to there but your not going to like it. If you time it right the viles can blast you in to the little opening. You would also have to get blasted back in once you get the key.

I have tryed it with degreelessness and it worked but it took along time. If anybody can pull that off with out cheats it would make beating the Icon of Sin look like e1m1.

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REoL

January 21st, 2001, 06:38 AM

I have no choice but to NOCLIP up there, then.
I'd change over, but I'm not doing 16 maps over again! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

As for ZDooM, it might be that I have older versions of that and the last original PRBooM, but I noticed in the FUCT test that ZDooM lost speed before PRBooM did, making PRBooM faster, but in the end, they both hit a low of 24FPS (nomonsters), 640x480. In regular maps, ZDooM did hold up in the speed department when higher rez's were used. 800x600 worked well, but 1024x768 lurched some.
I might try the 1.23 beta 11. That's right non P3 users, uh-oh! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/eek.gif

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Doom_Dude

January 21st, 2001, 09:05 AM

Hey Empyrial Revenant, that's phucking awesome! That would make a great demo! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Ferrari

January 21st, 2001, 11:38 AM

I am using a P2 350@391, and it isn't that bad on Legacy or zDoom, still fast.

Why don't you get a Pentium 4 1.5 GHz?

Gee. 2 years ago I got this PC, a pretty fast one around. Now there's PCs out that is more than 1 GHz faster than mine! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm34.gif .

What, you didn't know? Pentium 4 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5 GHz has been out for a month now.

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Zack

January 21st, 2001, 02:53 PM

I knew that. I think they finally hit a stop with the surging increasing processor speeds with this 1.5Gz jobby.

Hey Doom_Dude it's really weird that you should mention not wanting to edit any more. It's like all of the editing spirit in you jumped into me.

See, I had this dream a couple nights ago about Doom. Only this wasn't like the usual dreams about Doom, or Quake or Half-Life. I actually dreamt about editing Doom! I was making levels and everything. That's all I remember. But it was an inspiring dream http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

Stphrz

January 21st, 2001, 02:54 PM

Your comp would be much faster on ZDoom than Legacy, especially on maps that have a lot of detail. 'Course you need to keep Legacy around for the 3d floors and such.

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Zack

January 21st, 2001, 03:17 PM

When's my Duron 700mz gonna arrive!!! The suspense is killing me!!! I'm seriously looking forward to this PC almost as much as I am curious about this "picture for Zack" darknation and Rellik are talking about.

Ferrari

January 21st, 2001, 06:55 PM

Stphrzie, I run at 640x480, runs smooth. I'm gonna be upgrading to a P3 800 and Radeon2 later. Then, I can play at sweet high resolutions.

Zackie, you mean you ordered a new computer already?

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Zack

January 21st, 2001, 07:35 PM

Not the complete box. Lacks a floppy drive, hard drive and CD drive, which I have. (A good FDD, and a 3gb hdd and 8x CD-ROM)

I won it off of ebay 2 weeks ago.

Looney2ner

January 21st, 2001, 07:43 PM

Zack, Wasn't your old HDD losing sectors? Or did you find a new one? http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm7.gif

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REoL

January 22nd, 2001, 03:35 AM

I setup the key bindings for ZDooM yesterday.

I do like that ZDooM doesn't lurch up close to walls at 640x480 like PRBooM does, even though ZDooM loses momentum in the FUCT test first. Hmm.... Weird.

Now, how about slopes? Wish I could make 'em
(check EDITING topic for dillema).

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derek

January 22nd, 2001, 09:56 AM

Speaking of computers, I went to a computer show. I could of built myself a 700mhz Athathlon Workstation. But I didn't have another $40. Anyway I'm stuck with my 100mhz speed demon(yeah right!) 586 till next year then. Vilecore is pretty cool.

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Doom_Dude

January 22nd, 2001, 10:28 AM

Well Zack, I'm laying off of the DooM editing for a little while and I'm messing around with editing some Half-Life again. I'm getting into making new textures {check out my bricks) and trying to make new sounds for my Opposing Force levels. 3D editing is awesome.

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I have a new project idea for DooM II that will be about 12 maps long. I'll be drawing up a lot of maps and details before I do any major work on it. Hopefully, I'll get back into it real soon. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

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REoL

January 22nd, 2001, 05:09 PM

Paper? You mean....some mappers draw their maps on ....PAPER?!?????

Wow. That's something....

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Don Incognito

January 22nd, 2001, 06:26 PM

Yeah!
Grid Paper!

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Doom_Dude

January 22nd, 2001, 06:32 PM

Hey if the Levelord does it that way then I'll do the same!

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Don Incognito

January 22nd, 2001, 06:52 PM

Zuh?
Levelord?

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darknation

January 22nd, 2001, 07:36 PM

I planned out my first ever doom level in my maths jotter.

The teacher was not amused...

Stphrz

January 22nd, 2001, 07:47 PM

Hey Doom_Dude, remember episode 1 of the original Doom? Ya know, some of the best levels ever made (still to this day). All those levels were made cold, on the fly. None of this drawing on grid paper stuph.

Personally I don't see the point really. It's just another step. Why not just draw it out in your editor? It's easier to delete stuff in a computer cad program than to take an eraser to paper no?

That's just me though. Whatever works for ya. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

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Doom_Dude

January 22nd, 2001, 08:39 PM

Hey Stphrz! That's how I made 95% of Vilecore.....in the editor. The other 5% was done using a plan drawn out on graph paper. I'm gonna make some cool stuph, so stand back and hold onto you Wadauthor jobby http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif.

Yo Don, Levelord is a Level designer dude who's working for Ritual Entertainment. His credits are:

Started level designing in February of 1994 and created GrayDOOM, an amateur 4-level pack including The Swamp, Imp Skull, Bad Water, and The Gauntlet. Taken under the wing of Nick Newhard to do contract levels for BLOOD with the Q Studios team and Apogee/3D Realms in September of 1994. Hired full-time by Apogee/3D Realms in March of 1995, came to Dallas, Texas. Designed half of the levels for DUKE NUKEM 3D (The Abyss, Incubator, Warp Factor, Spin Cycle, Lunatic Fringe, Raw Meat, Bank Roll, Flood Zone, L.A. Rumble, The Movie Set, Rabid Transit, Fahrenheit, Hotel Hell, and Tier Drops). Joined the Hipnotic Interactive team in August of 1996 and latest release of Scourge of Armagon includes levels "The Lost Mine", "Research Facility", "The Crypt", "Tur Torment", and "The Edge of Oblivion".

Here's a quote of the Levelord: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade> DOOM - Nothing needs to be said about this one. The combination of this, my favorite game of all time, and the DEU level editor changed my life forever!<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love the work he did on the "The Lost Mine" level for Quake's Scourge Of Armagon add-on pack. It was cool.

Oh and I don't really know if he draws his maps up on graphy paper or not, but I'll find out!

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REoL

January 23rd, 2001, 02:47 AM

Ever see any pics or vids of Levelord? He looks out of it. That's why he uses paper first. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm 100% on-the-fly in designing. If it seems good, droop the 21 secotrs in to make that dream doorway. Oh wait, that's something I'd do. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Doom_Dude

January 23rd, 2001, 10:14 AM

Well I'm close to your 100% with my 95% http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. Some of my better rooms came from graph paper designs, including the Ashwall Plaza entry area, the big plaza type of room at the end of The Vilecore and the pyramid jobby at the start of Aztecore.

Here is a shot of that Quake mine map Levelord did. It's not very easy to get rocks to look that good.
http://www.gamedesign.net/style/terrain/levelord.jpg

Yeah REoL, I've seen pics of the dude.

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Don Incognito

January 23rd, 2001, 05:26 PM

OOohhh!

THAT Levelord.
What a good guy!
Hats off to him. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

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REoL

January 24th, 2001, 03:28 AM

http://www.ritual.com/news/ll-busted1.jpg

From Shugga Shack:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade>This morning, Channel 17 News showed up at the offices to interview us. It's confirmed, levelord has been busted for smuggling a controlled substance. We assured the news team that this was just routine, that levelord did this on a weekly basis, and there had never been any cause for alarm before. Astonished, the reporter blurted "But THIS much? For himself??" We just shrugged, having worked with the lord for months know. They finally left, but not before graciously providing us with some on-site pictures of the arrest, taken by an enterprising civiliian.<hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I see where Lowtax got this weed thing from in his Awfulmon/Survivor thing. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

He's the guy in the white t-shirt, if you don't know.

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Doom_Dude

January 24th, 2001, 07:12 PM

LOL. Good olde Levelord http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif .

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Stphrz

January 24th, 2001, 07:44 PM

Hey, Doom_Dude. Maybe you should try smoking some weed then try to make a level? Maybe it'll look like one of Levelord's. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

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Doom_Dude

January 24th, 2001, 09:13 PM

LOL.

Say Stphrz, is that what you did with your last map? That thing keeps making my computer crash. How abouts you fix whatever bug is in that thing http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. Seriously, whenever I boot it up, it runs fine for about a minute, then I get that clicking noise when I hit a key on my keyboard. Then it dies. Is it fixable?

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Stphrz

January 25th, 2001, 12:20 AM

Well it works fine for Rellik. There are no errors in the map. I can run it in Legacy, ZDoom, Boom, Vavoom, MBF, SMMU, Edge, the old Millenium engine, and the Eternity engine with no crashes or crickets......

So, I have no idea what's going on. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm9.gif

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REoL

January 25th, 2001, 02:38 AM

Doom_dude's computer hates you, that's what wrong. Doom_dude likes you, it's his PC that has issues for some reason, just like when people told me FUCT crashes after grabbing the RED KEY. I've tried it several times with no problems.

Aren't PC's wonderful?! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Doom_Dude

January 25th, 2001, 08:06 PM

Well it's damn weird. Stupid computers! The other maps Stphrz sent me, worked great. Maybe it's a corrupted download file? I dunno, but that map hates me and I want to play it because it looks cool!

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Stphrz

January 25th, 2001, 08:22 PM

Tell you what Doom_Dude, I'm going to do some more work on it this weekend. Maybe after a few nodes builds and other tweaks it will settle down for you. I'll also give it run through with bsp and rmb.

You said before that you can't get custom maps to run with Zdoom. If you unzip the Zdoom into your Ultimate Doom directory, and put the wad (test171.wad) into your Ultimate Doom directory you should be able to run it with the following command line:

ZDoom -file test171.wad -warp 4 1 -skill 4.

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REoL

January 26th, 2001, 03:11 AM

If it starts on episode 4, why type all that crap in? http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

Worse yet, you build a map, then suddenly BSP pukes all over it during the build. I lost a map to this back in '95. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm23.gif

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Stphrz

January 26th, 2001, 06:08 AM

bsp name.wad different_name.wad. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm32.gif

Ya don't lose levels that way...... http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

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REoL

January 26th, 2001, 07:43 AM

I never really had a problem with that.
I saved a backup elsewhere, played with it, and except for one map, always rebounded.

Oh well, no problems yet.

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Doom_Dude

January 26th, 2001, 11:31 AM

Okay, cool Stphrz, I don't mind giving it anouther shot http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm4.gif .

Hey, maybe if I pulled a Zack and sneaked the wad and DooM onto my brothers comp http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. Nah....I'll wait for Stphrz to decricketize it first.

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REoL

January 27th, 2001, 11:27 AM

My first BooM map never ran right at some spots, only to find out I simply missed upper textures in a ceartain area outsode.
Who knows? Stphrz might've made a simple, tiny screw-up that results in such a fatal blow.

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Doom_Dude

January 27th, 2001, 12:37 PM

Well I like your theory. Lets hope it works http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

Go Stphrz!

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Stphrz

January 27th, 2001, 12:44 PM

There's no missing textures anywheres. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm23.gif

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Doom_Dude

January 27th, 2001, 12:53 PM

Okay, okay, calm thyself Stphrz, I believe you. We just thought that maybe you missed a tiny little jobby. Bad REoL for suggesting such a thing! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

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REoL

January 28th, 2001, 10:17 AM

It happened to me, so I thought it was happening to him.
Does his editor check for missing textures?

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Doom_Dude

January 30th, 2001, 11:06 AM

Uhhhhh....I dunno! Ask Stphrz at your own risk http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. Bye!

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Stphrz

January 30th, 2001, 03:17 PM

Yes. Wadauthor does indeed check for missing textures. Actually KR you should keep WA around if only to use it for error checking. It's second to none. It also has a first rate scripting interface. If you are planning on ZDoom editing you will find it invaluable in that regard. What's great about this is you can still use your favorite editor (Deth?) for map layout and stuff like that there. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

Doom_Dude

January 30th, 2001, 09:31 PM

Kewl.....I never thought about trying wadauthor's error checker, jobby before.

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REoL

January 31st, 2001, 02:36 AM

ZETH has error-checking tools as well, a little too anal, though. Sectors with very small, tight angles are considered open, or if they are less than 2x2. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif
As for scripting (oh boy), I'll use good ol' EDIT for that. Maybe I might re unzip Wadauthor. Haven't decided yet.

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