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[orion]

Well, I need your help. I need all of you to tell me some songs that were in DooM 1 and 2. If you have no clue what im talking about go to http://www15.brinkster.com/orionxnavas/ click on download, and then on either DooM1 or 2, I need all of them filled out if possible and I can't do that by myself so I'm asking you, the people who might know some of these, to help. Thanks!

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[REoL]

The names of the songs? Filenames? Downloading?!
Am I not the only one confused here?


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[orion]

Hmm, well see doom songs are copies of real songs done by artists such as Slayer and Pantera. I am trying to find out which songs are on different maps. Like Slayer's "Behind the Crooked Cross" was played in E3M3. I just want to find out every song played in DooM and put it on my webpage, so when people hear a cool song in DooM and want to download it they can go to my site look at the map## and find out the artist and song name. I can not explain it any other way so I hope you and everyone else confused gets it.

I'm having problems with my site since it doesn't want to update the changes I made yesterday... pressing refresh does work, but people expect it updated when they come there and don't know they have to press refresh, so they think it hasn't been updated in a while, so this sucks.

[orion]

Aight, the idea of a DooM Music site was a bad. No way am I going to find out all the songs that were in doom when there isn't anyone that cares or knows any of them. And how am I supposed to post ppl's midis if no one ever makes any. Come on, who here ever thought to themself, "Hey, I'm gonna make a DooM midi cuz I'm bored." NO ONE! Bah, time to start thinking of a new purpose for my site.
BTW I am having the worst new years ever! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm45.gif

[Stphrz]

Actually, most of the songs in Doom and Doom2 are original tunes straight from Bobby Prince's little head :) Some of them do bear a certain resemblance to songs by other artists. Here is what I know:
Hellkeep (e3m1) -sounds kinda like Pantera's "Mouth for War"
Barrels 'o Fun (? I forget:) -sounds like Alice In Chains "Them Bones"
Hangar (E1M1) -supposedly rips Master of Puppets by Metallica, but personally I don't hear it.
There's the Slayer one you mentioned.

I think that's about it....

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[orion]

K, well if that's the case the whole point of my site is ruined. Only thing that could save it are midis, but no one will make doom midis. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm43.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm21.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm25.gif

[REoL]

Actually, Stphrz, there is a LITTLE resemblance to MOP and E1M1 music. Listen to the part right after the 1'st little riff. It almost sounds like part of MOP.

Prince was a rip-off artist.


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[orion]

Does it even matter now? http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm33.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm31.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm36.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm18.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm14.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm6.gif

[Monkey]

The tune in Barrels of Fun --IS-- AiC - Them Bones!
A poorly mixed one if it was trying to sound like the original song, but all the notes are there!

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[NiGHTMARE]

Yes, it IS AIC's Them Bones, and another Doom 2 songs IS AIC's Angry Chair. And one of the Doom 1 songs IS Slayer's Beyond the Crooked Cross

Look for midis of these three songs on the net, they sound almost identical to the doom midis.

[orion]

I already knew most of that, and it's "behind the crooked cross" not beyond. And no the point of the site is not for me to put midis on it that I found on the web it's to make you people make midis, send them in so I can put them on my site for ppl to download.

[NiGHTMARE]

No, I wasn't saying to put the midis on your site, I was referring to a couple of posts where people say they simply sound similar to the songs in question; they ARE the songs in question.

Anyway, what exactly do you mean by "Doom midis"? Tunes people make for Doom levels? Their own versions of existing Doom songs?

[REoL]

Monster Condo in DooM II sports a rip-off of a Pantera song as well. I think it's called "-something- Love". VERY identical again.

Prince was a fraud.


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[orion]

I mean, like some original midis made by people like you or me that fit the doom theme. Something fast, dark, creepy, and so on (whenever I hear those words Slayer pops into my head...). Only problem is I only know one person that makes midis. And one person isn't enough. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm14.gif

[orion]

And I already knew that. It's "THIS Love" btw... I thought DooM had more songs like that other than the same 3 or 4. I actually thought they were all made by some artists, I guess I was wrong

[NiGHTMARE]

Here's a few more I've noticed (you have to forgive incorrect names, I'm not really a huge fan of any of these bands):

d_e1m1 actually uses an ancient blues riff that many songs had used before Metallica was even formed.

d_e2m1 was allegedly heavily inspired by AC/DC's Big Gun, but I haven't heard that song I don't know for sure.

d_e2m8 sounds very similar to a song in one o the Blake Stone games (I think it was Planetstrike).

d_e3m1 sounds kinda like Pantera's Mouth For War in places.

d_inter sounds similar stylistically to a couple of Pantera songs, such as Hollow.

d_bunny's heavy parts sounds similar to AIC's Grind

Part of d_runnin sounds suspiciously like the James Bond theme http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

d_shawn sounds slightly similar to AIC's Sludge Factory

Doom 1 and 2 may well have more songs that are either inspired by or direct copies of existing songs, but perhaps they're not by mainstream bands like Pantera, Slayer and AIC.

[orion]

Thank you, I'll be updateing my site now with the new info http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm30.gif
I don't consider Pantera or Slayer mainstream tho.

[NiGHTMARE]

You only know of one person who makes Doom midis? There are loads http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif I've only included their homepage URLs, as I have no idea of the e-mail addresses for most of them.

Most of these people have plenty of samples on their pages so you can see how good they are http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif


People that used to make Doom midis:

Jeremy Doyle (does have a site but I've forgotten the URL): Osiris PC, Icarus: Alien Vanguard

Mark Klem (http://elguapo.c-gate.net/~mklem): Mementom Mori 1&2, Gothic DM 1&2, Requiem, etc

Marc Pullen (http://www.doomworld.com/fanatic): Gothic DM 2, Gothic '99, New Breed, etc. He's actually still around, but he only does MP3s now

David Shaw (http://www.doomworld.com/tolwyn/): pretty much the same projects as Mark Klem


People that still do make Doom midis:

Nick Baker, aka me (http://haunt.8m.com/doom <- hasn't been updated in bloody ages http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm10.gif ): Paradox, Wrath, Crucified Dreams and Plutonia 2 - Look under Previews->Wrath for some samples.

Paul Corfiatis (http://www.geocities.com/paul33_au/): Death Tormention 1&2, 2001: ADO, Plutonia 2, etc

Vincent Fong (forgotten the URL): Execution and Crucified Dreams

"Ike" (http://www.newdoom.com/asylem/): Kill, RoD, Omega Day

Frederik Johannson (http://www.newdoom.com/fredrik/news.shtml): Doom 3057

"Kniggit" (http://www.doomworld.com/kniggit): Darkening E2, Paradox, Mordeth E2, etc

Jamie Robertson (forgotten the URL): Doom Millennium, Plutonia 2

Sam Woodman
(http://www.doomworld.com/metabolist/): Darkening E2, Mordeth E2, Alien Vendetta, etc

[NiGHTMARE]

I mean mainstream as in bands that people have actually heard off and are published by proper companies, not just a bunch of people working in someone's garage like most of the bands near where I live are http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

[orion]

looking through the list off people you left I'm pretty sure none of them would be intrested in makeing midis for fun. They are most likely using them in their projects, and don't have enough of a reason or time to make me one. What I want are midis that aren't in any projects, and were created for the fun of doing something for the doom community.

I just finished checking DooM for midis that were repeated, one song was even repeated 4 times in the following maps: e1m7, e2m5, e3m5, e4m8. Now I'm going to check DooM2.

[orion]

When I was makeing the chart I noticed a pattern of placment, it looked like songs were being repeated in a strange way. But later on I messed the chart up and didn't see the order anymore. I fixed it and it looks normal but thats not the case. Either I messed the chart up before I noticed the placment of the songs or after. However I'm pretty sure I messed it up after I saw the midis being placed in a looping way... I dunno and I don't feel like doing this again just to see if a midi was placed in a map cuz it was following a pattern.

[This message has been edited by orion (edited 01-01-2001).]

[REoL]

Mark Klem. I know him. He's supplied REoL TOUGH with sounds and music.


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[orion]

You have to understand I don't want to force anyone to make me a midi. I realize most people here don't know how to make one so I've decided to just put the midis I found on the web that seem to go along with DooM. So now you can download some DooMish midis of my site and find out which songs Prince ripped off. If you have a suggestion of what else I should do tell me since I don't think what I have now is enough of a reason for anyone wanting to go to my site http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm10.gif Thanks to the people that have told me some of the songs that were in it tho. Oh and stphrz that person in DW posting about DooM music was my friend chester doing me a favor.

[Lament]

Heh.. I can make you a MIDI if you tell me how http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[REoL]

I made a MIDI a long time ago. It was not a good experience. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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[orion]

yes, I tried doing it and I couldn't eveb start... Oh weel http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm20.gif

[NiGHTMARE]

There's several good tutorials for people trying to make computer game related music around on the net.

If you haven't a friggin' clue what the heck to do, try here:

http://www.gamedev.net/reference/music/


Or if you know the basics but you're just out of inspiration, try this one:

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/19990312/inspiration_01.htm

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[REoL]

It's not that I couldn't make a physical MIDI file, it's that I couldn't play an instrument worth a damn.


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[NiGHTMARE]

You don't have to be able to play any instruments, I can't http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

Just get something like Midisoft Studio, or if you have lots of money to blow, Cakewalk or Cubase. You can input all the notes manually via mouse & keyboard (computer keyboard, not electronic http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/wink.gif).

[REoL]

That's how I tried to do it (via PC keyboard).

Screw it anyway. I got Quake III maps to make and finish off! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif


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[orion]

Yes, that's how I tried it, and it did not come out right. I really suck when it comes to music, which is wierd since I listen to it a lot. I sorta can play guitar, but not too good, actually I suck. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm34.gif Bah, I'm going to be posting less now since I'm trying to get a life again. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm11.gif Maybe I'll get rid of keen sometime this month hopefully, I hope, I better.

[orion]

getting a life failed, I'll be posting way more now... http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm45.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm45.gif http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm45.gif I'm really sad right now.....

[REoL]

At least you're not Zacking like Doom_dude has done.

He's ahead again! Some normalcy is needed here....


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[orion]

I could not be any more depressed.... http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm14.gif

[Stphrz]

Hey, it takes more than a couple days to get a life :) Keep trying! How can you say you've failed already?? Set some simple goals.

1. Get rid of Commander Keen :)
2. Get a part time job.
3. Are you still in school? If you are
concentrate on doing better than you
are now.

Just a few suggestions. Oh and remember, you always have a friendly ear to bend here :)

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[darknation]

DUde, don't get depressed. When someting gets you down, go out and kickass until you feel better

[orion]

Posting more on here, getting better grades is not what I have in mind when I say I want a life. I actually mean the opposite. I've failed in a way I would rather not discuss here.

[Stphrz]

Sorry we can't be of help. You will just have to create a way to succeed in the way you want to on your own. Good luck to you. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm35.gif

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[orion]

too late I failed and I can't do anything bout it.

[darknation]

I'm editing this because my first version sounded a bit rough, and I never ment it that way.
What I am trying to say is don't get depressed over somethign that you can't do nothign about now. I have made plenty ****ups, most of which make me want to cringe even when I think abou thm today. But you live though them, wiser for the experience.

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[orion]

What happened wasn't my fault at all yet I'm the one that's paying for it. I'm sure pretty much everyone would do the same thing as I did but sooner. Doesn't matter now anyway, what's done is done and I can't change it. Gonna have to live with it now...

[Stphrz]

Hey, Orion, trust me. You will be happy again. You will. I've had absolutely breathtaking failures in my life.(Haven't we all?) Things happen, doors slam shut in your face and you think you are at a dead end. Well, you're not. You have life and freedom. It's impossible to be a loser if you have those things. Find someone to talk to about it, face to face.

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[REoL]

My life was full of failures. Basically it was from ages 0 to 20. The rest went okay.

Almost 9 years is all that's any good. Oh well, at least it's good NOW! http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

As for you, Orion, it's just a phase. Everyone has their down points, and you're in one now.


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[orion]

Hmm, oh well I'm changeing my ways, stepping away from the crap I'm in. So to change the topic my page has 10 doomish midis on it so far. The reviews for them are under "projects" so just remember the title of the midi and go to "download" and download some. My fav is "as the worm turns" very doomish and fits perfectly in any map you could make. Here's the link to my page www15.brinkster.com/orionxnavas (http://www15.brinkster.com/orionxnavas) hope you like some of the midis, even tho there are only 10 so far...

[Stphrz]

Hey, that's a pretty stylish site :) You seem to have pretty good taste in music for Doom as well. I never really liked Slayer, but I have to admit their stuff would work well in some types of Doom levels though.

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[orion]

heh thanks, the songs on there weren't my first choices, but most slayer songs can't be changed into midi so I was stuck with those (criminally insane and angel of death don't sound to good since the vocals were also changed along with everything else so it's messed up). The 2 fnm songs match doom pretty well, especially "as the worm turns," but out of all the songs I heard by them these are the only ones.

I know I have lots of spelling and grammer mistakes on my site since I didn't even bother to correct them. I'll fix em up later tho http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smilies/cwm26.gif