"WAD IN A WEEK" ...suckz!

[Tormentor667]

Hello NewDoom Administration and NewDoomers! I have seen several discussions in the DoomWorld and the NewDoom Forums, that some things about the NewDoom Contest aren't very clear for everybody! There are also a lot of things to say about the rules! They are not clear enough! I have had mailed with Jason Sloan because I really didn'T know, if you are allowed to insert sectors (like lights, ceiling-windows) into the basemap sectors! It isn't allowed! Damn **** ! I think, NewDoom should give us one week more and it should clean up the rules for everyone!

Thankx for reading!

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[Doom_Dude]

Now I'm confused! *******! I changed that teleporter pad so that it has a lower ceiling, plus I raised the floor to 16, because 12 or whatever looks crap with my brick textures....am I dis-qualified now? I also wanna know wassup with the two doors being one sector!?!? I don't want two doors that open at the same time......to fix it I'd have to delete both doors and then redraw the two as seperates........

My headache overfloweth http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[This message has been edited by Doom_Dude (edited 12-08-2000).]

[Zack]

There's another good reason I don't edit too much. See all the stress and frustration it puts on you guys? http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[FACE.UK]

Okay. The two doors that open at the same time are wrong. I did not have a very good weekend when I put the map together due to a death in the family so I apologize for that. This has been mainly my work so the the rest of the newdoom team are not really responsible. The doors sectors you mentioned zack yes there are two sectors the same. However these are not the doors themselves they are a little recess. The door sectors have not been made yet so you have to make those yourselves. The sectors cannot be changed in any way you can move the height of the room as one but not individual sectors. I am sorry but those are the rules.
I only did this because I thought it would be fun. I am sorry it did not turn out that way.

[Tormentor667]

DAMN! Why didn't you list this in the rules, FACE.UK?? I have now fixed this, and I don't know how to refix it! That's **** ! I have now to restart my complete map! Damn! Unfortunately I stop my progress! I hate such Contests with unclear rules! **** !
This really suckz!

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[Tormentor667]

Though, I have some questions, If I start over the map: Are you able to insert columns in the basemap sectors (Linedefs, no sectors as columns)?
Are you able to place Lights on the walls (sectors) of the basemap sectors?
Is it really impossible to add lights and windows on the ceiling/floor of the basemap sectors?

[darknation]

Lay off Face Tormentor...

[REoL]

Good thing I never bothered. There's flaws in the base maps that can't be fixed with the ruled implied.

Oh well, This wound up to be a mess, didn't it?


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[Stphrz]

Hey Tormentor, just go ahead and build your map how you want it to be. I'm confused as well but I won't worry about it. After all, everyone can't be disqualified right? Make the best map you can and let the chips fall where they may. Face understands people are confused. I'm sure he'll cut us some slack when it comes to judging. Just remember to put the newdoom reference into your map :)

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[Tormentor667]

Ok Doomers, I'll try my best ,hehe! Perhaps I build the greatest wad possible with the basemap stuff but... what is, when I will be disqualified??? http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/frown.gif All the work without any sense??? I don't hope so... We will see how FACE.UK and WMULL will judge http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Stphrz]

Face. Sorry to hear of your loss. My condolences to you and the rest of your family.


-Peace

[Zack]

Perhaps the contest should be started over, and this time with a base created by someone willing to do so, who is not being interrupted irl? (such as Doom_Dude..)

Just a thought.

[Tormentor667]

NO! WE DON'T RESTART! I have today fixed my complete level depending to the rules and I won't restart for the 3rd time with my WIAW level! So let us do it now as it is! May the best win!

[Phoebus]

Contest isn't a mess, there are just some confused people, but I really doubt the rules could have been written to suit them, no matter what..
It doesn't surprise me you're not entering the contest, Reol. Nuff said.
Zack, you have no room to talk, but somehow you still do.
Tormentor, you're making a mountain out of a molehill, as usual.
Stphrz, you've got the right idea.
I really doubt anyone giving their best effort is going to be disqualified.
We're purposely not going to spell out every little syllable for you.
You guys are so fixated on the base map, you're not creating the rest of your map!
The base map is there to make sure you've begun the contest when we gave it out!
Move on.
Common sense rules.
Common sense.
Most of all, relax and have fun.
No, we're not extending the contest.
It's a week.
If you win or don't, it's just a bit of fun for the community in the end.
Some of you just haven't realized that.
I invite you to do so now.

[Zack]

What's your problem, wmull? If I don't have room to talk, why don't you just ban me?

[Monkey]

Arggh! No more fighting! Look, the rules should be clearly listed somewhere, then all confusion would be lifted. And I am sorry Wmull, but it SHOULD be spelled out! Rules are made to be inforced, and if you don't know the rules, you can't obey them!
I have not been around for a while, so if there is some information I might me missing that would alter my opinion, just ignore it. But just... be nice, please.

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[Doom_Dude]

Hey FACE.UK, sorry for the bitchin.

I got a wad started but I dunno if I can finish it. I also need to reread these rules. We all need to chill out and have some fun with this contest, instead of moaning about stuff.

I was honestly confused but now I'm only partly confused http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Just jokin http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Zack]

Hey wmull sorry if I sounded like an ass or anything. I'm not against the contest or anything on the page. I just felt like stating my thoughts on things. And if your angry because of the way I talked when you sent me your wad, I apologize, because I was angry still, about the new forums.newdoom.com URL. But I got used to it, as one usually gets used to all changes. I know you're kind of in a bad mood because of the recent loss of a family member. Please forgive me.

[Monkey]

Wmull lost a family member? I send my deepest sympathy, I know what you are feeling all too well http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/frown.gif

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[Tormentor667]

Hey wmull,
perhaps I should be more relaxed :-) I often "make a mountain out of a molehill"! Hope I can get this bad attribute managed :-/
Well, now! If you tell us that the base map is only there to be sure, that we have begun the contest when you gave it out, why can't we add windows/lights to the ceiling/floor of the basemaps? And also, this is not sure, if everybody starts at the same time! With WadAuthor you can copy and paste sectors from one map to another! So some people could cheat!....sounds interesting?!

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[FACE.UK]

I have been busy for a couple of days trying to build a new comp out of two different ones. Didn't work. Thanks for the network idea though stphrz. Right then

I do not get paid for what I do here I do it cos I enjoy it. Stphrz is right of course I/we will cut you all some slack I am not a monster. The rules maybe a little confusing but I have tried to help people out where I can. Nobody will be disqualified for a few minor indescretions. I hope to see all of your maps by the end of the time set. Next time will be different and I am sorry for any stress it caused. I can understand people getting upset though.

By the way thanks Stphrz for your kind words.


Jason


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[This message has been edited by FACE.UK (edited 12-10-2000).]

[Phoebus]

I think some people are not only confused about the contest, but are now confusing me with face.uk and vice-versa! Actually, it's face.uk who lost a family member, and has had computer problems, etc., so he hasn't been around to answer some of these questions right when you've asked them as I thought he would. It's been a little frustrating for you guys, but the rules ARE clearly stated on the Contest page. Not only that, but we've provided an email for any niggling questions you may still have.
I've re-read the rules a couple times now, and although there's no way we could cover every single base imaginable, I still don't really see the confusion a reasonable person could be having with this: Levels should be compatible with Boom\ZDoom, Legacy, EDGE or JDoom. Note: You must specify which port your wad is designed for when you submit it! We'll toss it from consideration if you don't do this.

The Basemap rooms cannot have their outer shapes changed. You may add supports or doors, and the floor ceiling heights may also be changed. Textures and light levels may be changed.

If there are any features in a room already, for instance doors or skylights, they cannot be removed.

You may use any new textures \ sounds \ sprites that you wish.

You can enter as many maps as you like, as long as they are not of the same type. For instance, you can enter a Singlelayer map, but you cannot take out the monsters and also enter it as a Deathmatch level. You may enter a Deathmatch level, but make sure you have started over again with the provided Basemap from scratch.

Now, provided you've followed all of the above sticklers, here's a restriction of particular importance. This one is to keep you on your toes, so pay special attention, otherwise your map will not qualify: There must be some sort of a reference to New Doom within your wad, either literal or otherwise. Do we mean the site or the game? We're not going to say. It can be a texture or constructed from sectors, sounds; once again, you name it, we'll leave it up to you how you do it. Creativity counts!

All levels must be in by the finishing time. Any after the set time will not be considered.

[darknation]

Jesus H Christ, if you were confused then why not just ASK? Wmull and Face are around here all the time, all it would take was a quick ICQ or email (or, better still, jam in the chat rooms) and ASK!

The one thing I got confused about I sorted out in 5 seconds because I asked Ferrari, and because he has more brain cells than me, he knew the answer!

And asking wmull to ban you is not the way to get ahead in life dudes. It's petty because you know that he WON'T.

Just go through the contest using COMMON SENSE.

End.

[Rellik_jmd]

Am I the only one that actually understood the rules? I mean, come on... The rules state: you can add supports, you can change textures, you can change hieghts, you can change light levels. But you can't change the outer shape of the original sectors. Of course you can add windows an lights to the walls. You can add doors so windows are allowed too. You can't move or delete any of the ORIGINAL VERTEX'S or use vertexes to push the original walls around.

You could just follow my lead and pretty much just leave the original sectors alone. This is just a little internet contest, relax. Geez you'd think id was running the contest and first prize was lifetime employment at id Studios. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Don't worry. Be happy.

Sorry about your loss, Face. I hope all the bickering hasn't put you off doing another contest someday...

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[Tormentor667]

Well, if I can add Elevators/Doors to the basemap Sectors, can this sectors I added (Doors, Elevators) be moved a bit in the original Sectors???

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[Looney2ner]

After reading the rules as stated here in this post, I would say so long as the base line sectors are not moved, then its ok. If you have to change the Size or Shape of the Base rooms, then it is a disqualifcation. (as well as Deleting any base sectors would be a disqualifacation)



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[Phoebus]

can this sectors I added (Doors, Elevators) be moved a bit in the original Sectors???
If I'm understanding you correctly, how would we even know, or care if, you did this?

[darknation]

That too was my fear... that NEWDOOM would be so put off by all the complaints that they would never have another contest...

[REoL]

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I see things got WAY out of control!
Let's all quit while we're ahead.

As for the contest entrants, I didn't mean quit that. http://forums.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif


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[Tormentor667]

WMULL - Well, my english isn't good enough to explain that correctly so I try to show it:
"This is a basemap Sector of the original"
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"This what I want it to look like"
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>Original sector

Do you understand??????

[FACE.UK]

Supports or doors maybe added to the basemap rooms. If I understand correct, then yes.

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