Door Style Question ?

[Doom_Dude]

Okay you pop gunners and doomed space marines, what kinda doors do ya all want in the New Doom?

1) Classic Doom Doors: The kinda doors that only open when you hit a key (spacebar).

2) Automatic Opening Doors: Like the Quake doors that open by themselves, when the player gets close.

I think that id should stick with the Classic Doom type, because the auto~opening ones can be a pain. Sometimes one of these things opens when you don't want it open. Does any other style exist? Doubt it. What do you dudes think?

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[Zack]

I think there should be an option in the game, because each way has its advantages and disadvantages.

In Single Player mode, which the game is being designed for, automatically opening doors are great. There is no downside. If it weren't for switches, it would save you from another key to press, complicating your controls.

In deathmatch, manual doors are much better. Often, I've walked up to a door, tried to open it, and it just 'jitters.' Unless you didn't tap the use key hard enough, this means that another marine is directly on the other side of the door. My strategy, when this happens, is, unlike what most people do, to just back up and ambush the guy, instead of try to open the door again (that could go on for a long time).

So in deathmatch, manual doors are good, and automatic doors are best in single player. Switches and levers, though, should always be manual, unlike in Quake. (This is also the Half-Life mix: doors are automatic while switches are manual.)

--Zack

[Doom_Dude]

Ummmmm. I thought it was like suppose ta be the other way around. Manual 4 single player and Automatic for deathmatchin'.

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[Zack]

It won't matter as long as the game allows you to choose automatic or manual doors in the game.

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[King_Ralph]

Once again, please don't go mad if you don't agree with me but if it was just set in hell then I don't think there should be any doors at all. Mostly outdoor, a few caves, dungeons and stuff like that.

Oh, but if there are doors then I think you should be able to blow weak ones up with explosives like in deus ex.

[Doom_Dude]

King_Ralph_Paranoid, no one can get mad at you! Your idea is sorta interesting, but I like doors. So i vote yes to havin' lotsa doors. Can't agree with ya this time dude!

Ummmmm Zack, what game can you do that in?

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[King_Ralph]

Dues ex.
Came out today.
It's a first person rpg and I think it is better than all games out today...no kidding.

It's nothing like doom by the way. You have to really use your head.

[Doom_Dude]

As far as the doors go, I hope we don't see too many swinging doors. I find they tend to get caught in my gear, causing the door to slowly grind me to death. Swinging doors should work like the ones in Half~Life and not like other games. Sliding doors are the best though.

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[This message has been edited by Doom_Dude (edited 11-30-2000).]

[Zack]

Nah! Doors that open and shut vertically made a great Deathmatch element in Doom. I'd hate to see that lost.

[Doom_Dude]

What I meant by sliding doors are the kind that slide up into the ceiling or slide to the side into a wall. Those are the best kinda doors. In some games I noticed that the other kind: swinging doors, are made for some stupid reason, to open towards the player, and thats a drag. I don't wanna see any of those things. The swingin' ones in Half~Life worked right, with the door opening away from the player.

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[CheapTrick]

I like the original consept
whit the spacebar

But i remeber making quake style door
on levels 4 Doom2 ust using triggers
in the editor anyways.
So it is up too the engine and the
level designer what kind off door
type to have in difrent situations.
But i always have like'd the spasebar the moust.
And i think having the spacebar open the door
is just as fast as having the door open automatic.
U have to tuch the door anyway, so by having
the option too let the door stay shut.
And/Or take advantage off this in some situations.
Is the better option.
And it also give the ilusion of tuching
the door nob/button, like we are used too in real life.
But i hope that if they try new solutions,
they dont doo these tiny litle buttons
that u have too take aim at too hit.
Anyway... it all depends on the situation
and the sorunding enviroment they are trying too create.


8) )

[Doom_Dude]

Well as far as using the spacebar goes.....I changed over to binding my right mouse button to opening Door in DooM and it works great!

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[Zack]

in Doom i use either E, space bar, or double-clicking the right mouse button the old fashioned way http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

I like Foxes.

[Doom_Dude]

Maybe in the new DooM there won't be any doors...like what King_Ralph once said. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/tongue.gif

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[Shiv_Timberwolf]

Ok, this is how I see it:
The game engine should incorporate both types of doors, in fact all types. Each type of door fits a different environment, and only making a certain type of door will restrict the level-makers. Hydralic doors (vertically opening) are great for ambushes and huge bay-door type things. Horizontally swinging doors should always open away from the player.
As for automatic or manual, again both are needed. I would be quite upset if I, as a 3rd party level-editor, did not have the choice of automatic or manual. Duke 3D worked quite well, with the choice of auto or manual included in Build, although I'd rather see it built in as a single tag rather than having to build a pressure pad in front of the door.
-Shiv

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[Aliotroph?]

If doors always swing away, they aren't very realistic. It works better for game play, but if you want realistic swinging doors they can only open in one absolute direction. Toward or away depends on the player's location.

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[Shiv_Timberwolf]

But do people really notice that little detail?
-Shiv

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[Aliotroph?]

I did. It was very noticable in some games.

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[Shiv_Timberwolf]

Hmmm....Mebbe, but door that open towards you are really annoying and cause lots of problems sometimes. Project IGI did it quite well tho. It would have to push you out of the way if you are too close, or allow you to open it a more of a distance (simulating arms length)
-Shiv

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[The Undertaker]

Or do it the HeXen way, you take damage if a door opens your way and hits you. So then remeber to back away when you open doors.

[Doom_Dude]

Hey look at this old topic!

It would never bother me if a door opened away from the player going both ways through a portal. Half-Life had it and I liked it.

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[Shiv_Timberwolf]

Hmmm....Don't think the pain-door thing would work players (myself included) would just get pissed off at it. After all, what kinda fool opens a door right into his own face?
-Shiv

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[Doom_Dude]

Yeah exactly!

I know in some games the damned door opening towards you can sometimes get caught on the player....then it starts grinding / taking away your heatlh and you can't get off without killing yourself. Now that pisses me off. Or the door tries to swing shut and your in the way and it does the same. Happens in Sin sometimes http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm21.gif

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[Shiv_Timberwolf]

Ahhh, Sin :-)
A wonderful game that was realeased about 3 months too early, hence was full of bugs.
Funny thing is the next game by the same company (I think it was Soldier of Fortune) had exactly the same bugs! (Specifically the savegame bug).
-Shiv

[Doom_Dude]

Swine bugs! I had to laugh at the boss bug in Sin. Where the big mutant jumps you on the train.....then afterwards he appears frozen in the subway. LOL! That must be the only game bug that made me laugh. I recently replayed most of Sin and it's actually a good game after patching.

I haven't played SOF yet. I have it from ny bro but I need to finish about a dozen other games first..

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[Aliotroph?]

The pain thing should only work on big doors. I once started a Half-Life conversion of Duke3D's Lunar Reactor (kickass map damnit). I built that room at the beginning with the rotating lights and it looked really cool. Then I added that big security door. When you used it, it went:

*beep, bzzzt... kwwwoooooosssshhhhh thunk!* Then it would close on you: kwoootttttssssshhh-clunck Squish! Gotta love guts flying from evil doors! http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm4.gif

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[Shiv_Timberwolf]

Lol. I love the way you could see your guts squishing up and down in the doors in Duke3D.
SoF is a great game. Nothing is more satisfying that blowing someone's kneecap off and seeing them lying on the floor screaming with one leg! Muahaha!

RE patching sin: My mate actually got the company to send him a free cd with the patch (first 2 I think) on it. Still didn't fix everything. And the patches were HUGE (about 50 Mb, right DD?)
Nice that they posted it to him tho (snail mail)
-Shiv

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[Finite]

It should be like System Shock 2. 'Nuff said.


Hehe http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif

Nah I reckon any modern spaceship type doors should open automatically... but there also should be other doors on hinges etc, old style that you open manually. Maybe even have alien/demon type doors that you have to pry open with your hands to the sound of some *slurp* noise. But I think it should depend on the type of door you are opening.

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[Doom_Dude]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, serif">quote:</font><hr width="100%" size="1" noshade><font face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, serif" size="2">I love the way you could see your guts squishing up and down in the doors in Duke3D.</font><hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh ya! I forgot about that feature...that was very kewl.

About the Sin patches....well I had the worst of the bugz fixed by installing the mission pack, then a smaller patch brought this up to the last version, but finding the right patch was a major pain.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, serif">quote:</font><hr width="100%" size="1" noshade><font face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, serif" size="2"> But I think it should depend on the type of door you are opening.</font><hr width="100%" size="1" noshade></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya Finite, I was gonna say that. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smile.gif Prying doors open whilst some critter is killing some dude would be kewl. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/biggrin.gif Heheh, some dude is yelling: "Get it off me! Get it fucking off of my .......*gurgle*....ahh!"

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[Aliotroph?]

LOL I was listening to some peaceful classical music, so when you said that it sounded really really funny! Maybe it was pieceful music. http://forums.newdoom.com/UBB/smilies/cwm4.gif

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[Doom_Dude]

LOL@Piecefull

....and I meant to say that the dude being killed is on the other side of the door.

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[Aliotroph?]

Yeah, I got that part. It just went oddly with the music at the time. I know one of the best parts in Half-Life: Blue Shift (almost wrote Blue Shit) was when the army guys bust through the door and you're trying to flee.

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[Doom_Dude]

Yeah that was kewl.
I bet the next Doom will have a few Iris doors, probably on a Space Station or one of the UAC starships.


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