What type of guns would you like to see?

[Acid Rain]

I think that they should bring all the old games back, but they should also include some new guns like a sniper rifle, which was not in the older versions.

[Don Incognito]

Sorry if I sound like a jerk, but I don't think a sniper rifle is a good idea for any Doom. It's just not the kind of gun that would be used in a Doom like situation.

Doom is about gurilla combat, not being a sneaky sniper...

I'm not sure what they should add... maybe a pancake gun... Doom doewsn't have to be serious all the time.

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With Love and Admiration, (laced with Raw Passion).

[Zack]

Personally, I think sniper rifles are for Team Fortress games only. As for the pancake gun, that sounds like a Duke Nukem idea. Duke Nukem is never serious.

I like the way id implimented "smaller" types of enemies in Doom 2. For example, the Hell Knight was a lot like the Baron of Hell, only a little weaker. And the Arachnotrons were "related" to the Spider Mastermind, etc.

Well, perhaps the New Doom could have a new BFG, only instead of making it better than in the previous id game, it could kind of be included with another BFG (hit 7 twice,) and you get Ferarri's BFG 850! It's a little aged...and quite unsafe...but it charges up nice and quick, and does more than half the damage of a normal BFG!

That's a neat idea for a new weapon :)

--Zack

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"You wanna see something REALLY scary?"

[Boingo the Clown]

I think it would be interesting to create a weapon that shoots a bouncing ball. After the ball has bounced a few times or hit an object, it could explode like a rocket and send out a spread of plasma shots. It would be a fairly powerful weapon, but should give players a chance to get out of the way. It would also be a fairly slow weapon with all the bouncing the shot would do before exploding.

I do not think that this can be done using DEHackEd, so it would have to be specifically added to a port.

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Oops! That was a rocket launcher, wasn't it?

[Ferrari]

That BFG850 model was Finite's idea.
7 models of BFG in Doom? That would be cool.

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Yes. That is a rocket coming after you!

[Zack]

Sorry Ferrari, that's what I meant http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

I like Boingo's BFG ball idea! It's slightly similar to the ball from the "Hand of God" in Rise of the Triad, but the BFG ball is still original. There are simply two things that prevent this to be done in DeHacked though. One is that a projectile in Doom dies instantly, once it hits a wall or object. If you wanted to make it live, you would have to give all projectiles a certain amount of health, perhaps 10. The BFG ball, however, would have, say, 50. So each time a projectile hits a wall, floor, or object, 10 health points would be taken from it, until it "dies," which would mean explode or whatever happens to it. The second thing that would have to be altered is the bouncing part. It is fairly an easy thing to implement: just reverse the angle the projectile is heading toward a wall at. Without this, it would either stop dead at the wall like any clipping object, or would simply pass right through it like any non-clipping object.

Besides that, it could be easily done with DeHacked. The "plasma" flying out could be done by using the Pain Elemental's death sequence for the projectile's "death," replacing the graphics, and then replace the Lost Soul with a plasma projectile. That one part is worth a try doing in DH!

Hope I made sense. If what I said above is completely wrong, that's because I haven't fooled around with the Doom engine in like a year. So shut up! Bye.

--Zack

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"You wanna see something REALLY scary?"

[Finite]

heheh long live the BFG850 http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

7 types of BFG? geez... ok so what would we have... the BFG850, BFG900, BFG1000 (quake 2 one), BFG??? (whatever the quake 3 one was...)

thats only four... i think 7 is an overkill!

We need a new sorta weapon, something original! I know its hard to think of, because everything I can think of is some kind of derivitive of either: rocket launcher, grenade launcher, rail gun, bfg, plasma...

What about a good new melee weapon? I mean the chainsaw is cool, but what about.. some kind of huge futuristic sword? A chainsword?? http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Ferrari]

Or how about a hedge trimmer? Cut someone's head off!

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Yes. That is a rocket coming after you!

[Monkey]

A good idea for weapons is a Hand Gernade (Quake 2's would do fine),Railgun,Bomb and Detination device(its not very Doomy,but it is fun to rig a place in DM :P)

Maybe some sort of flying powerup,more like Shadows Of the Empire than DN3D (If you played both you will notice a diffrence :P)

I Think It would be a neat idea to have a Deathmach Monster Ladder thingie (the inventor should describe it,not me)

I dunno,maybe a flamethrower? Flankspheres would be a good idea (you can throw a bad souldphere that would kill its user)

Tourches,maybe some sort of vehicles,Jeep,Tank,Submarine (for those pesky cacademons that fly underwater :P)

I really really liked the Rocket Launcher in Half-Life.

Maybe some sort of explosive tipped bullets? I dunno.

I would like to see shoot-down-able walls. Bfg a wall and its not going to stand :P This would flank level designs,but there should always me an option.

The DooM marine should be able to hold anything logically possable in one hand,thus doubling his firepower, A 'La Goldeneye.

Oh yeah Cacademons. And Monkeys. Thats always good. Maybe some spinach too. Damnit im tires. I mean tires. TIRES! Errg TireD i mean with a S.
Arrhg...

If you could only have one BooK ona dessert island what would you choose? I would choose spinkles hahaha. Dickhead. IM gunna goto bed noe cya latr 2 o clock here and got stuuff tomarrow. Goobye.

Oh,and if legacy has ROR and NEW DooM doesnt,than haha legacy better..grr zdoom no legacy. Scripting d bomb but lgacy de best...hahaha!!3


arrhg..sdf

why the ffcksf cant i have my signature humping pole monkey when i can just put it in my message every time? damnit soot ok

(imagine a sik picgure of a monkey humpping a pole and you get the idea,mm now look about 120 pixxekd to your left and it says monkey.. thats whats supposed to be here but the foruim stupid and make me type it in dillholes.m,)

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I am Monkey,hear me eek!

[Monkey]

Looksd at my signateue is \not/ now funny !

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Reason never to give Monkey Drugs or Booze :
"If you could only have one BooK ona dessert island what would you choose? I would choose spinkles hahaha. Dickhead. IM gunna goto bed noe cya latr 2 o clock here and got stuuff tomarrow. Goobye."

I am Monkey,hear me eek!

[Doom_Dude]

Well the bad soulsphere idea is sorta interesting.......but how would ya pick it up? With a long stick and some crazy glue?

Hedge Trimmer........hehe.
I want shock wave grenades.
I want guided rockets.
I want Crete's laser cutter weapon.
I want a crossbow that fires exploding tipped energy bolts.

Now this is what i really, really want because i'm a shotgunner and i always use the shotgun..... a double barrelled over & under shotgun, special edition that has the words doom_dude on the side of the barrel.

I want a proximity plasm trap.
Thats all i can think of for now.
The bfg850 sound like a good idea......

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The only good Vile is a dead Vile .

[This message has been edited by Doom_Dude (edited 08-24-2000).]

[Zack]

Ferrari, that hedge trimmer idea sounds good! I like it. It could sit along with, or replace, the chainsaw.

Finite, you need a check-up from the neck up! None of the BFGs you mentioned ever existed. Doom's is a BFG 9000, not 900! The BFG 10k is the Quake 2 one, and I'm not sure what the Quake 3 one is called. Now I'm beginning to wonder about your BFG 850. Did you mean to say BFG 8500, just like the one that was on ebay?

The explosive device was also a good idea. More explosions in Doom, yeah!!

Maybe you could pick up a barrel and tip it over a little, pouring it all over the place, and then shoot a spot or throw a match! WOO!

A neat new BFG idea is one designed specifically for wide open areas: You'd shoot it into the sky, and it has a timed explosion. It seeks all sources of heat from the sky, and shoots it's gleamy green lines for a few seconds! Destined to take out most the life of anything in the open. You just have to find something to take cover beneath!

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"You wanna see something REALLY scary?"

[WickedOne]

how bout a ****in lawnmower.

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heh heh heh.......

[Doom_Dude]

You know these powertools that have interchangeable blades and stuff? Well, what if you could pop the hedge trimmer onto the chainsaw chassis in place of the chain blades, that would be cool. Here are the things you could have on that thing.....

1) Chainsaw
2) Hedge Trimmer
3) Huge Drill Bit
4) Whipper Snipper
5) Circular Saw

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The only good Vile is a dead Vile .

[Finite]

/me takes all numbers in the my previous post and x 10

happy now? *looks for a good cover up reason....* ermmm my 0 key was getting jammed... http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

Yeah BFG8500 like the ebay one...

I keep telling yas.. i want a CHAIN-SWORD!! Massive blade that you swing around, with rotary diamond edged blades on it... like a chainsaw but longer, lighter, more versatile and more lethal http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Zack]

Doom_Dude, your crossbow idea sounds similar to that of Heretic: Shadow of the Serpent Riders. Try the shareware, you'll see.

WickedOne, the lawnmower idea has already been used. Every play Frogger CD-ROM, by Hasbro Interactive? http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"You wanna see something REALLY scary?"

[Acid Rain]

I think they should put a gun in there that shoots out bugs and eats away there skin. Kinda like the gun in half life.

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Mess with the best
Die like the rest
--Hackers
Acid Rain

[Doom_Dude]

Well the crossbow was just a flimsy idea i threw in there. I really don't give a rats ass if i do or do not see it anywhere near any game.

Actually i played Heretic ages ago, but i can't remember any crossbow. The Sin mission pack: Wages Of Sin, had a cool plasma bow in it, but wouldn't be very Doomish. A different type of crossbow might be cool.....not sure.

No hornet guns please. That was cool in Half-Life but it's not needed in Doom.

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The only good Vile is a dead Vile .

[This message has been edited by Doom_Dude (edited 08-26-2000).]

[-tdk-jb]

Here is what the new doom's weapons should be:

1.Fist/Chainsaw
2.Pistol
3.Auto-Pistol/Dual Auto-Pistols
4.Double-Barreled Shotgun/Quad-Shotgun
5.Minigun
6.LAW(rocket Launcher)
7.Automatic Explosive launcer (mini-rocket launcher, but full auto)
8.Plasma Rifle
9.Railgun (not like quake's, fast, deadly, and with a scope)/Dual Railguns
10.BFG
sound good?

[Finite]

DUAL RAILGUNS?? Sheesh....

How about this:

Fully-Auto Railguns! 600 rounds per minute at least http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

Bye bye Mr Cyberdemon!

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[-tdk-jb]

There not like quakes. Remember the one movie the eraser? Kind of like those. Its not a one shot kill weapon, but more like a super-accurate double shotgun damage wise.

[Monkey]

In Eraser that was a railgun more like Quake 2's.

Dr. Monkey's Explanation on Railguns

The Original Railgun Design
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There are a few types of railguns. The original railgun was a anti-missile device. It took a metal slug (I love Neo Geo) about the size of 1"x1". Multiple magnetic rings were bound together and acted as a barrel. They were perfectly precise.

What happens is the slug is pushed into the magnetic rings where it is suspended directly in the center of them by magnetic forces. The magnetic rings have about the strength to pick up a few tons of weight. The slug moves from ring to ring, getting faster and faster by the magnetic forces of the rings as it approaches the the end. Then through the law of centrifugal force,the slug is jolted wherever the series of rings were pointed to. The entire event takes less than a second. Undoubtedly the railgun destroys the missile without its detonation by shooting at the casing,where the materials inside will burn up with wind resistance. I don't think these types of railguns are in existence,but they were being developed in the 'Star Wars Project' a few decades ago. Needless to say this is a great idea,and if it were to be fully developed it would bring a coat from the fear of mass nuclear war.

Railgun As a FPS Weapon
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I would only assume it works in the same way,just on a smaller scale. The using magnets,a normal man can hold it and allow it to fire millions of PPI without any kickback. If there were kickback, even a man like Arnold would be shot through walls and walls. The whole 'ring' thing of a railgun serves 2 purposes.

A)To tell what you did. Technically you should not be able to see the slug with the naked eye moving at that speed. A sonic boom would make sense,though. But that would be a strain on the ears every time you fired.

B) To look cool.

The ring thing was derived from what the original railgun looked like. It was just a series of rings. The Laser thing from q3 and other games is simply design. It COULD look like that,but one would doubt something that small moving that fast would have a perfect motion blur.


I think the correct way to do a DooM railgun (assuming there is to be one) would to take the Quake 2 design. A large metal thingie that had rings and about a 2 second delay between fires.

Thanks for reading my boring explanation...

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Reason never to give Monkey Drugs or Booze :
"If you could only have one BooK ona dessert island what would you choose? I would choose spinkles hahaha. Dickhead. IM gunna goto bed noe cya latr 2 o clock here and got stuuff tomarrow. Goobye."

I am Monkey,hear me eek!

[Finite]

Well that confirms my theory http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

I was studying solenoids in physics, and had the idea that it was how railguns could be made. Simply alternate the current in the solenoid fast enough, then stop the current and it would shoot out the end. It worked with a magnet, shot it about .5 of a metre. So with a really long solenoid with a really small diameter, and a huge power supply, you could project a very light object a very far distance. I guess I was right http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think I'll go off and try to make one now http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

[BioRock]

What we want? we want akimbo gun,more akimbo gun!!!! i always wanna play a game with akimbo guns, i already have aliens vs. predator, but i buy the gold edition only because the marine have akimbo gun!!!2 pistol, two chaingun,two shotgun,two Rlauncher.......what a dream!!!!

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I'm not a single rock.....I'm your badest nightmare.....I wanna hear you pain....

[-tdk-jb]

Akmibo shotguns would displace a shoulder or break an arm.

[Monkey]

Finite, you went into a tad more detail than I :P I am a physics and electronics student but I figured on one would care about the crummy details. What actually happens is the the rings closer to the top are much much stronger than the rings at the bottom. This creates a strong pull to wherever one would be shot.

They might use a series of capasitors(correct word or spelling? the thing that holds electricity for a set ammount of time and releases it with greater voltage) with the times offset just so that to pulse pushes the the slug up the rings. I will investigate on the internet and in my books.

The whole series of rings thing was ment to keep the slug centered. You could slide it on a magnetic rail with small divisions and get the same effect. Actually,that would be better. Using a tubes with divisons,you could get perfect accuracy without the pain of perfectly placed rings.

I think at the tip of the end ring,the railgun is shut off in fear of the slug getting stuck in the gravity of the last ring. They say the wind resestance of the slug is so strong that it literaly turns into a shooting bolt of melted steel. Misfires are thought to go forever out into space http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/wink.gif

I wanted a railgun,too! I tried making a crude prototype a year or so ago, but tube (i used cuts of a large pipe) and magnetic distribution was flawed and the slug went in funny directions. Later on instead of a peice of metal I found (and later discovered it wasn't magnetic) I used a ball barring that I put through a screwdriver magnitizer.


Our garage was like my mad scientest workplace,with hunchback n' all. The thing looked like a poolsick with silly rings on it. I scraped about 10 computer cases for the power supplies to make every ring have a special voltage. (last post I gave a list of voltages. They were lies! I looked at my power supply and they were wrong! Anyway,like it mattered...)

When I got a working model, it was very very crude and I had to mount it to the table with bolts to get ANY accuracy. As an experement, I shot my roommate with it and pelted her leg with a ball barring. She destroyed my railguin and I never made one agian.

Maybe next time I'll get her cat :P

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Reason never to give Monkey Drugs or Booze :
"If you could only have one BooK ona dessert island what would you choose? I would choose spinkles hahaha. Dickhead. IM gunna goto bed noe cya latr 2 o clock here and got stuuff tomarrow. Goobye."

I am Monkey,hear me eek!

[This message has been edited by Monkey (edited 08-30-2000).]

[Doom_Dude]

Whoah Monkey dude, you're experimenting with railgun technology! But what the heck was the end product of your first attempt....a table mounted pellet chucker? You shot teh roomate with a railgun experiment! Remind me not to go into your garage when you're working on your railguns..........

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The only good Vile is a dead Vile .

[Finite]

Woah.. good effort monkey! It sorta puts the whole shoulder-mounted-railgun-lauching-depleted-uranium-slugs-at-close-to-the-speed-of-light idea into perspective eh? What did it sound like anyway, with the ball bearing rotating in the railgun? Did you get any photos? I wanna see! http://www.newdoom.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Monkey]

I cannot show you becouse my roommate ripped it to peices. You wouldn't regignise it from some silly rings and a pool stick. My power supplies are still around, if that is of any intrest :/ .

It was a really stupid thingie and it had the power of violently flicking a ball barring at someone. To make one yourself is easy.

Materials
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Limited electronic stuff (tape,wire strippers,pliars,ect,anything your dad would keep in his toolbox :P)

3-7 conductive metallic rings (I cut mine from a 1\2 inch copper pipe)

1 +7v -24v +4amp power supply per ring, going from greatest to least from top to bottom (Careful, 24vx4amp can give you a good zapping)

Some device to get the rings in a row without interfering with the wires bringing electricity to them.

Magnitzed ball barring or other round object.

Contsruction
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I think it is pretty obvious. I'll give a little electronic lecture here. Electricity is the flow of electrons from atom to atom. Blah Blah Blah.

Basically,you can create a small thingie launcher with pipe and some power supplies. You have to play around with the placment of the rings. They can't be very far appart. It isn't rocket science (on this scale) but you will get your ball barring stuck to the electro-magnetic pipes more times than you will fire it off. Maybe someday I'll build another one agian to show you guys if you can not build one for yourself.

Tata!

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Reason never to give Monkey Drugs or Booze :
"If you could only have one BooK ona dessert island what would you choose? I would choose spinkles hahaha. Dickhead. IM gunna goto bed noe cya latr 2 o clock here and got stuuff tomarrow. Goobye."

I am Monkey,hear me eek!

[Monkey]

Oh,and to answer Finite's question,it made no noise. Exept for the clink when it touched the rings sometimes. Don't be disapointed,though. My roommate made up for the lack of PZZAAPP!!! :P